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Old 15th Oct 2008, 06:43   #1 (permalink)

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It's Nidge, not Nigger.

I understand the new Dambusters film will not be at all interested in historical accuracy.

Unless, of course, Guy Gibson's dog was actually called Nidge.
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 06:50   #2 (permalink)
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Yes, tough one that. But I have the solution. All actors playing parts that require the dog's name to be spoken, should be black.


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Old 15th Oct 2008, 07:00   #3 (permalink)
 
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I understand the new Dambusters film will not be at all interested in historical accuracy.

Hey this is Hollywoodland not history.

I expect AVM Bomber Harris to be played by Morgan Freeman and Angelina Jolie playing Barnes Wallis.

"I've been bouncing my balls along the tank all night!"
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Ah, the famous Tuskegee Dambusters! Well if the Septics can re-shoot the Italian Job in LA........
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 07:16   #5 (permalink)
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Morgan Freeman comes in stage left.

"And what do you intend to call these bouncing bombs, Barnes?"

Angelina turns from the diagram on the blackboard, thrusts her chest out and pouts.

"I thought Bazombas sounded descriptive enough. What do you think?"
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 07:20   #6 (permalink)
 
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It's relatively easy, script wise. If the dog features at all. He'll be be just 'the dog' or 'dog' or 'boy'.

I think the real problem is whether or not they are going to portray Gibson as the complex character he really was or as a rather bland 'jolly good fellow'. Time will tell.
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 07:26   #7 (permalink)
 
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Not to mention "Life on Mars" in LA with Harvey Keitel as DCI Gene Hunt for Chrissakes...

"You're an overweight, over-the-hill, nicotine-stained, borderline alcoholic homophobe with a superiority complex and an unhealthy obsession with male bonding".
"You make that sound like a bad thing.")

Top Gene Hunt quotes:-
  • “You great… soft… sissy… girlie… nancy… French… bender… Man United supporting POOF!”
  • “I think she’s as fake as a tranny’s fanny.”
  • “Drugs, eh? What’s the point. They make you forget, make you talk funny, make you see things that aren’t there. My old grandma got all of that for free when she had a stroke.”
  • “What I call a dream involves Diana Dors and a bottle of chip oil!”
  • “He’s got fingers in more pies than a leper on a cookery course.”
  • “She’s as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.”
  • “Now. Yesterday’s shooting. The dealers are all so scared we’re more likely to get Helen Keller to talk. The Paki in a coma’s about as lively as Liberace’s dick when he’s looking at a naked woman, all in all this investigation’s going at the speed of a spastic in a magnet factory.”
  • “There will never be a woman prime minister as long as I have a hole in my arse.”
Sorry about the thread drift.

Back on theme - U571 had to beat everything for Hollywood lack of any authenticity, historical accuracy or anything but a fairy story. Fully expect Dambusters to be a total waste of time and money.
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 07:32   #8 (permalink)
 
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"I thought Bazombas sounded descriptive enough. What do you think?"
LR!

Seriously though I doubt this film will actually be made - or like the "Memphis Belle" be so rewritten (from RAF to USAAF)and cast ( to appeal to teenagers in the US ) as to be unrecognisable.

As to the complexities of Gibson's charecter - they will just cut his lines and give him a pipe to smoke to signify all of that...
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 07:56   #9 (permalink)
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I just wish they'd make a wartime mvie with the majority of the cast the right age; mainly 18 and 19 year old aircrew with the odd "granddad" in his thirties. Hell, even Gibson as a Wing Commander was only in his mid-twenties.

Gibson is knocked for being a ruthless philandering barsteward; well a lot of guys in their mid-twenties are like that, especially when they know they could die tomorrow.

Memphis Belle is the only one to really get it right.

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Old 15th Oct 2008, 08:28   #10 (permalink)
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We're in danger of getting a bit precious here.

I thoroughly enjoyed "The Dambusters", Richard Todd was a fine, cinematic, Gibson.

But I do recognise that it had elements of propaganda mixed with hero puffing. It is cinema after all - entertainment always manipulates inconvenient or boring realities.

And I agree with ORAC about the ages of the participants.

"Nigger" is almost certainly an unnecessary distraction in this day and age. "Nidge" will do me.

What is being proposed is not a documentary.
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 08:29   #11 (permalink)
 
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Memphis Belle is the only one to really get it right.
I would agree that they emphasised the young age of the crew ( although was that a sop to mid-west teenagers? ) which was refreshing. the age of the cast was between 24 - 29 by my reckoning.

I'm sure that I read that Putnam origionally sketched the screenplay
to feature a young RAF Lancaster crew - but the US changed it to feature the Memphis Belle instead.

It seems that it was a flop - considered an old-fashioned throwback by 1990's filmgoers.
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That's the only bit they did get right!
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Will we now get told-off for colloquially referring to Black people as 'Nidgers'....?
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 10:24   #14 (permalink)
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Nidge? sounds like something from a Monty Python movie to me, nidge nidge nidge nidge...
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Rumour has it that the template for "Memphis Belle" was Len Deighton's "Bomber", about an RAF night raid, but for cine...cinemat...a *******, 'cos it's difficult to film in the dark the plot was switched to an American daylight raid with a smattering of the real Memphis Belle story thrown in.

As for the age issue the only film I can think of where you get some impression of them being 'kids' is some of the actors on the beach in "...Ryan". Then again looking at real WW2 pictures the young men and women look somewhat older than perhaps they should...probably not suprising.
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Bomber would make a film that i would enjoy, not so sure that it would be a commercial success though ( not in the US at any rate ) so I suppose the americanisation was a better bet.

Bomber would have been a true epic with all the RAF, Luftwaffe and german civillian scenes - phew!
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We're in danger of getting a bit precious here.

I thoroughly enjoyed "The Dambusters", Richard Todd was a fine, cinematic, Gibson.

But I do recognise that it had elements of propaganda mixed with hero puffing. It is cinema after all - entertainment always manipulates inconvenient or boring realities.

And I agree with ORAC about the ages of the participants.

"Nigger" is almost certainly an unnecessary distraction in this day and age. "Nidge" will do me.

What is being proposed is not a documentary.
Have always held a WODs word in some esteem. From days of "yes sir. Whatever sir" to the big jump and "yes, I will get a new garrison cap, Mr xxxx thanks for the advice and the compliments".

Deighton's Bomber was a fine book. Read "Goodbye Mickey Mouse".
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Old 15th Oct 2008, 12:06   #18 (permalink)
 
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I'm surprised, in this day and age, with computer graphics that they need to use real aeroplanes at all?!

The days of the obvious 'cardboard cutouts' that used to cross the screen in droves are long gone.

If we can be convinced that we can walk with dinosaursa and journey to the stars, I'm surprised we can't be convinced of flying with Gibson! Maybe it's the cost?

As for the dog - why have the dog in the film at all or mention its name at all? If it has to have a part why not just say 'here boy', 'anyone seen my dog?' or 'sorry your dog's been killed'. No need for historical inaccuracy nor offence.

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They could always copy this idea from Blazing Saddles

YouTube - Blazing Saddles - The Sheriff Is A...(DONG)
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Until just now, these were known in Germany as Niger Kisses.
Perhaps I try to send Obama a box if he wins.





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But if you Google Edersee on Earth, it may be intersting to see exactly how difficult the bombing run was. The land height between Jugendherberge and Landhotel Edersee, to north of lake is mucu higher than it looks. Thus I think the bombers had to come in from east and west and then down the ack ack gauntlet. A very amazing piece of flying.

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