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Old 21st Jan 2008, 17:07   #1 (permalink)
 
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Arrests due to mobile phone interference on AZ flight

Anyone know anything else about this??

From the AFP today:



Captain aborts take-off over mobile phones


January 21, 2008 - 10:43AM


Three passengers on an Alitalia airline flight from Milan were arrested after they failed to heed requests to turn off their mobile phones.

The Alitalia captain, who had already asked three times for passengers to switch off their mobiles, aborted take-off at the last minute because he noticed interference with the plane's navigation instruments, Italian newspapers reported today.

Police boarded the plane at Milan-Linas airport and arrested the three offending passengers identified by the flight crew.

The three face prosecution for failing to observe safety regulations and are liable to up to three months in jail.

The plane was finally able to take off for Bari an hour and a half later yesterday morning.

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http://www.smh.com.au/news/news/capt...764129096.html

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Old 21st Jan 2008, 18:12   #2 (permalink)
 
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Excellent.

I have always thought how it would look to the police if one slf were to take direct action against another slf who disregared the safety briefs, warnings and took action to defend themselves against possible dangers.....yes it really is a pet hate of mine....
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 18:22   #3 (permalink)
 
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Police boarded the plane at Milan-Linas airport
I presume this actually took place at Milan Linate airport. No such place as Milan-Linas that I've ever heard of.

Agreed, good show by the AZ captain. This needs to be well publicised so would-be like this get the message.
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 18:40   #4 (permalink)
 
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The title of the thread is misleading though, they would have been arrested for disobeying an order from the flight crew, NOT because of mobile phone interference, this would be impossible to prove, as opposed to disobeying an order.
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 18:50   #5 (permalink)
 
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The Alitalia captain, who had already asked three times for passengers to switch off their mobiles, aborted take-off at the last minute because he noticed interference with the plane's navigation instruments, Italian newspapers reported today.
This is a particularly controversial topic just at the moment, and it would be extremely helpful if the AZ Captain could file a report on the exact nature of the alleged interference.
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 19:53   #6 (permalink)
 
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Now that some airlines are installing equipment on their aircraft that will allow mobile phones to be used safely onboard (or so they believe), won't passengers be confused about when they can or cannot use their phones?
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 20:23   #7 (permalink)
 
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Its not just SLF using mobiles - as SLF I witnessed a flight attendant using their phone as a calculator to reconcile the trolley sales last week. Seemed quite surprsied when I wagged my finger - its all about setting an example...... (and before anyone bangs on about flight safe mode it was the same model as mine and it doesn't have one!)
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 21:14   #8 (permalink)
 
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Well its about time an Italian airline did something to pax using there cell phones! Pat on the back for the Captain. Working in Italy on a daily bases pax board flights talking on their phones, how rude!! can these people not make phone calls in the terminal?? Having worked in the UK not something I have seen a lot of as pax where boarding. I know that in the UK and Ireland pax are told to turn off cell phones before boarding,well at least some of them do?? Where as in DUB I have seen ground staff telling people they cannot use their cell phones airside.

Ouestion, What is the situation with cell phones in flight mode? And is cell phones off part of your check list?
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Old 21st Jan 2008, 21:50   #9 (permalink)
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And is cell phones off part of your check list?
Yes, checked twice before take-off.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 06:19   #10 (permalink)
 
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Cell Phones and Interference

I read the linked paper about the testing. I think that it is interesting that the set up of avionics were general aviation instruments- who funded this exercise? And without shielded antennas and cables, the avionics would be looking for any signal. I think that the test was very poorly concieved. The antenna leads should not have been teminated. The avionics should have been tuned to a specific frequency with antenna systems intact. Also, a magnetic compass can be affected by an airmans calculator or ring fer christs sake.

When I used to test the ILS equipment at my airline with the good old 401 tester, I used to also test the systems for signal rejection as well as signal accuracy and strength. This test had a preconcieved outcome when designed.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 06:26   #11 (permalink)
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Well done capt.

A few years ago, I was on an AZ flight where a guy did the same thing during the approach (in gin clear CAVOK conditions.)

I mentioned it to the capt who was standing outside the fd and he was incensed to the point that he came into the terminal with me to seek out the offender, who had left by that time.

That was pretty impressive.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 06:59   #12 (permalink)
 
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I agree with the cell-phone users being rude, passengers should not use them onboard because they are.... blah blah blah.

I do not think they cause interference, any more. The old analogue phones used to transmit 3 watts, which was why they gobbled up batteries daily, but the new digital phones transmit 0.3 watts, which is why they don't work so well in the cockpit anymore and why they will not upset aircraft equipment. And yes, in corporate, flying "high tech" a/c, I use them up front to call taxis and talk to the FBO when we need to. Maybe I'm too far from the antennae?

If a passenger does not follow the commands of the crew, by all means eject them!
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 10:55   #13 (permalink)

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Why can't people just get it into their thick heads that whether or not they think their poxy mobiles won't interfere with the plane's equipment they actually don't know that that is the case.

Just don't use the ruddy things until into the terminal. It ain't rocket science is it?
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 11:05   #14 (permalink)
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Good to see action being taken.

Once had the pleasure of sitting across from another passenger who when taxiing began opened his blue bag , got a beer , turned on the mobile and had a chat with a friend.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 12:08   #15 (permalink)
 
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The Alitalia captain, who had already asked three times for passengers to switch off their mobiles, aborted take-off at the last minute because he noticed interference with the plane's navigation instruments
I think this statement is probably misleading! If it's true that the captain, did in fact reject the takeoff "at the last minute", I doubt he would have known the exact cause of the troubled "instrument".

My guess is that the aircraft didn't even commence its takeoff. They probably just didn't receive a message from the FA's that the cabin was secure and were advised of passengers still using their mobiles.

Glad to hear that they were dealt with appropriately. There's nothing more irritating than someone who is so full of their own self importance that they aren't capable of switching their mobile OFF for a few hours!
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 12:20   #16 (permalink)
 
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Having recently flown a couple of US internal flights with United Express, I was quite surprised that pasengers were happily using cellphones right up to and into the initial taxi from the ramp and were only asked to turn them off for the safety briefing.

As soon as we landed, the C/C PA said welcome to XXXX you may now use your cell phones, which many did for the time we were taxying in and all the way into the building.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 13:14   #17 (permalink)

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I know of at least one type of helicopter (modern IFR corporate twin) where the baggage bay SMOKE warning is set off by airborne cellphone use. Even the "polling" without a call being made can cause it; it only needs to be switched on. As there is no fire extinguisher in that bay, the only remedy is to make an immediate descent to land, in a field if necessary to confirm no fire is present, or otherwise.

Does the person claiming that phones "don't cause interference any more" not consider the danger of making an immediate landing, possibly descending to the ground, away from an airfield, in cloud?

These (not so) know-alls who insist on keeping their phones on are a danger to everyone. Like the numpty who informed me when I gave the safety brief "But this is NOT a phone - it's a Blackberry so I can obviously use it".

Yes, mate and my pl***er's a pumpkin Switch it OFF - or you're not comin'.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 13:20   #18 (permalink)
 
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Its not just SLF using mobiles - as SLF I witnessed a flight attendant using their phone as a calculator to reconcile the trolley sales last week. Seemed quite surprsied when I wagged my finger - its all about setting an example...... (and before anyone bangs on about flight safe mode it was the same model as mine and it doesn't have one!)
I am Italian and SLF, and I am happy about what happened (the arrest, I mean) . I remember old reports of troubles to avionics caused by cellphones, including disengagement of autopilot during approach.
I want also to say that I remember for sure a recent PA inflight announcement from the cockpit accompanied by the familiar sounding of cell interference , surely from the shirt pocket of either the Capt or the FO.
Can't recall airline and flight no.

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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 16:21   #19 (permalink)
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Total load of rubbish, used to use the 5 watt models in the day of the brick phone without any trouble, pilots leave their phone on all the time.
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Old 22nd Jan 2008, 16:43   #20 (permalink)
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Now that some airlines are installing equipment on their aircraft that will allow mobile phones to be used safely onboard (or so they believe), won't passengers be confused about when they can or cannot use their phones?
The system is very different. There are numerous threads, particular in the Pax forum about this.

In short: the in-cabin antenna 'captures' the cell phones and thus indirectly controls their output level. When below 10,000 the system will allow the cell phone to lock on to it - but will not permit any calls to be made.

No, I don't like it because I think it sets a bad precedent but airlines want to make money.
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