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Old 16th May 2007, 11:42   #1 (permalink)
 
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Danger The Climate Change debate

Found this in Jet blast, and I reckon CHIMBU CHUCKLES will enjoy this, seems all us kero and avgas burners may not be so responsible after all.

Its a long watch....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arming+swindle

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arming+swindle

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Old 16th May 2007, 22:38   #3 (permalink)
 
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So which bunch of liars do you believe?

J rips the top of a coldie and waits for CC to arrive
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Whata ride! Gotta love the link between Maggy and the unions and global warming. Talk about the beat of a butterflies wing causing a typhoon
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Great video!!!
Really enjoyed it. cheers for that.
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Zimbabwe was recently elected to lead the UN's Commission on Sustainable Economic Development which is the UN's main environment body. Now this a country that has destroyed a once-thriving farming industry, has a failing economy, an appalling human rights record and a poor record of looking after its wildlife and national parks. And yet as pathetic as it sounds, the UN managed to elect Zimbabwe to fill this postion. It just shows how corrupt, idiotic and irrelavent the UN has become. Over the past few decades the UN has done absolutely nothing and I mean nothing, to increase the world's knowledge base, nothing to increase the scientific understanding of anything and was definitely most positivley not responsible for keeping what passes as world peace these days (the US alliance system did that).
I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the UN lacks creibility in almost everything it does. They've stuffed up that many things that many times, they really can't be trusted to get anything right anytime at all.
So the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the IPCC) comes along and put's out a report suggesting that the world as we know it is about end and they want me to believe it ? 1,500 eminent scientists ?
F off! About the only way that that report could be used constructively, would be to hang it from a hook in some isolated country shithouse. As one of the presenters in the doco noted, it's all about politics and not much else.
What the panel of UN scientists didn't tell you and what the climate change industry definitely won't, is that for the bulk of the Earths history, on average the planets temperature has been warmer than it is now. In fact it is unusual to find ice sheets at both poles at the same time as we now have. It could be said and has been by some, that the planet at the moment is experiencing a mini ice age.
So will there be climate change ? Of course. The climate is constantly changing and has done so throughout the Earths history and it will continue to do so. Will the planet warm up ? It more than likely will because historically it has always been warmer than it is now.
Is this because of human activity ? Well that's something that remains to be seen. If you compare human activity over the last 200 years to the climate change mechanism that acts over many millenia, it might change things by a few fractions of one percent.
I certainly, absolutely believe in climate change. But those who are bleating from their roof tops that suggest if you're after a beach front property in the near future you should be looking at places in Dubbo, Bright or perhaps Katoomba, should take a cold shower.
Only a 1 minute shower mind you.There's no water left due to the severe drought triggered by that nasty climate change.
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UN Our idiginous brethren have the best description......SEAGULLS! Fly in from the coast, pick around for scraps ,make a lot of noise about how good they are by being there and fly out without doing anything
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Old 17th May 2007, 09:22   #8 (permalink)
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Gassed Budgie...

Drop in here and I'll buy you a drink!

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"F off! About the only way that that report could be used constructively, would be to hang it from a hook in some isolated country shithouse"

Not even any use for that, it would be using the most expensive gloss paper, polish your a---hole rather than clean it. and a rash from the multicoloured inks.
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Prospector, you can go and follow your own gods mate.

Yep, its a doco and yep its the first doco in a while that acknowledged the hype stirred up that we were all going to freeze by 1990 when we were all going to run out of oil.

If it makes you feel any better, I predict the world WILL end! In about 4 billion years when our sun novas...now that would be a show to see

Add a link to HARD REPEATABLE SCIENCE on the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation-

CERN LAB EXPERIMENTS

COSMIC RAYS AND GLACIATION

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Old 17th May 2007, 11:23   #11 (permalink)
 
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Gassed Budgie and support

You have raised some interesting points re the UN and I do not disagree with you in relation to the UN's relevance on this topic (and many others for that matter). There was quite a long thread a while ago just after the IPCC report came out questioning the relevance of the report and indeed the whole global warming phenomenon.

You are correct, the world climate does follow many cycles and it has for as far as scientists have been able to prove shifting in and out of ice ages since we were all single cells. What scientists are concerned about is the fact that this time the shift is so rapid. The most recent temperature rise we are facing (3 degrees) took 10,000 years to achieve, and we are going to do it again in 250 years. The world's temperature has remained relatively constant for the last 10,000 years so to say we are experiencing a mini ice age might be a little off the mark.

You can, like many sit back and say it is a natural occurrence, and for all I or anybody else may know, it may just be that. But with so much scientific evidence agreeing with the fact that is a direct result of every one of us, I find it very hard to disagree with. You will find that there are just a few more scientists looking into this than the IPCC, so if you want to read a little wider into it you will find the information is there.

I remember an argument in the last thread saying scientists created this to keep themselves in a job. I do find it quite humorous that a good proportion of those funding and supporting research to disprove climate change have something to lose (i.e Exxonmobil). Sounds very similar to the tobacco companies trying to disprove the unhealthy smoking 'myth'.

For me this is common sense. Scientists having NOTHING to gain by getting this info out there, are they getting payouts from the greens party? Ha! They barely have enough to keep themselves afloat. So why? Why is there such anger towards this topic? Are you afraid to change your lifestyle? What is it??
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What scientists are concerned about is the fact that this time the shift is so rapid. The most recent temperature rise we are facing (3 degrees) took 10,000 years to achieve, and we are going to do it again in 250 years. The world's temperature has remained relatively constant for the last 10,000 years so to say we are experiencing a mini ice age might be a little off the mark.
Have you looked at the BBC documentary in full? If you had you would realise that this is rubbish.
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I remember an argument in the last thread saying scientists created this to keep themselves in a job. I do find it quite humorous that a good proportion of those funding and supporting research to disprove climate change have something to lose (i.e Exxonmobil).
Have you looked at the BBC documentary in full? If you had you will know that all those quoted on the documentary swore they havenít received nor will they receive a single cent from any lobby group i.e. the energy industry etc for there research into glob warming and the roll or should I say the lack of a roll by humans.

One very interesting point that was brought up in this documentary is that as the worlds temperature rises carbon levels then rise and as the temperature decreases the carbon levels then decrease. The change in temperature always leads the change in carbon dioxide levels. If this is the case how can it be, as the global warming hangers on would lead you to believe, rises in carbon dioxide causes a rise in the temperature? It is quite obvious from the evidence that it is the rises and falls in the temperature that drives the changes in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This is probably the single biggest point that debunks the whole global warming debate and I havenít yet seen it properly answered by any so called global warming expert.
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Scientists having NOTHING to gain by getting this info out there, are they getting payouts from the greens party? Ha! They barely have enough to keep themselves afloat. So why?
Again if you had seen the entire documentary you would know where these scientists and lobby groups get their money and how much it has increased since global warming became such a hot topic.
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Socks and Thongs, what gets on my goat is the prostitution of the scientific community. Theory must be proved by experiment, repeatabilityand review. (Remember "Cold Fusion")

I have a very long memory, these same people predicted that we were all going to freeze.
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Old 17th May 2007, 13:12   #14 (permalink)
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OzBD,

Long time no see mate, did you ever get to fly over the North East of Vic and survey the fire damage and low reservoir levels?

As for your post above ... I totally agree with you.

Thanks,

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The only show worth watching about global warming is Al Gores 'An inconvenient truth'. The facts in that are undisputed and frightening.

Now is someone going to tell me that it is all crap?
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Old 17th May 2007, 13:16   #16 (permalink)
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The only show worth watching about global warming is Al Gores 'An inconvenient truth'. The facts in that are undisputed and frightening.

Now is someone going to tell me that it is all crap?
Your post above is crap.

Many around the world are disputing "the facts".

Please turn off your tv and read a little.
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Ok so the data in the show is not true then? Of course its being disputed as there a lot of companies who cannot afford it to be true but it isn't being proven to be false. Who do you think is funding most of this research which disputes the facts? Companies like Exxon Mobil and Chevron Texaco that's who.

I read plenty thanks, in fact I just finished Golf Monthly magazine and might start on F1 magazine tomorrow. What do they say? Don't believe anything you read wasn't it?

BTW Australia has the highest CO2 emissions per capita in the world. Fact.
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The only show worth watching about global warming is Al Gores 'An inconvenient truth'. The facts in that are undisputed and frightening.
Did you actually watch the video??

if so, you will find your statement about the Al gore film is very inaccurate.
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Old 17th May 2007, 13:56   #19 (permalink)
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TM,

Methinks that you haven't watched "The Great Global Warming Swindle".

If you had you might not have written your last post.

Cheers mate, I'm off to bed.

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I have read it on the internet and it is easy to believe if that is what you want to do but after seeing Mr Gores show I cannot. Have you seen it?

Even if there is the slightest chance of Gore being right we owe it to our children to at least make an effort. Every little bit will make a difference and it will cost you nothing. This is one topic you doubters cannot afford to be wrong about. Go spend a day in Southern China and you might change your mind.

Furthermore Gore has challenged any scientist on the planet to a televised public debate for which he is yet to get any takers.
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