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Old 15th Nov 2011, 12:29   #9301 (permalink)
 
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How do I know it was a scam?

Ozone depletion has continued at a much faster rate since the Montreal Convention. Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up. Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?

Western scientists received lots of wads of loadsamoney to prove that the problem was caused by CFCs and HCFCs. (Never mind Popper and Fisher). Now CFCs and HCFCs are no longer made in the West, the problem increases at a faster rate.

However, there are no grants available to investigate it. All the grants have gone to the Warmists.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 13:14   #9302 (permalink)
 
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How do I know it was a scam?

Ozone depletion has continued at a much faster rate since the Montreal Convention. Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up. Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?

Western scientists received lots of wads of loadsamoney to prove that the problem was caused by CFCs and HCFCs. (Never mind Popper and Fisher). Now CFCs and HCFCs are no longer made in the West, the problem increases at a faster rate.

However, there are no grants available to investigate it. All the grants have gone to the Warmists.
But to understand that AO, you have to remember one key statement:
Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.Ottmar Edenhofer
So lets look at that statement. Where is the objective 'wealth' being transferred from and to ? The post-industrialised 'west' to developing industrialised nations.

Ergo, we destroy our own industry and commerce and transfer our wealth to the nations who are developing their heavy industry. And we do that by promoting policies in the name of 'environmentalism' to shift industry and pollution from developed stabled countries and economies to those that do not have such environmental policies restricting industry.

Now we re-read your postulation AO

"Ozone depletion has continued at a much faster rate since the Montreal Convention. Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up. Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?

Western scientists received lots of wads of loadsamoney to prove that the problem was caused by CFCs and HCFCs. (Never mind Popper and Fisher). Now CFCs and HCFCs are no longer made in the West, the problem increases at a faster rate."

and while on first glance it may appear irrational in terms of environment or climate, in terms of economic destruction in developed economies, it makes perfect sense.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 15:49   #9303 (permalink)
 
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Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up.
No they haven't. As I said in my previous post the media is no longer listening.

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Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?
Really? I just checked and NASA alone has awarded 48 grants for ozone research in 2011, and a similar number in 2010.


But hey, that would disagree with your viewpoint, and we can't have these tricky facts disagreeing with your predetermined ideas, can we?
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Simonpro,

stages 1, 2 and 3 all in one post.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 23:24   #9305 (permalink)
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BBC denies Frozen Planet was axed in US due to climate change claims | Metro.co.uk
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Old 16th Nov 2011, 04:20   #9306 (permalink)
 
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It's all them pants on fire at the Beeb that's causing the AGW..............
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Hells, you're on the money there....
BBC Caught Selling News Slots to Climate Change Crusaders

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An investigation by the Indy has caught the BBC red-handed selling airtime for millions of pounds. They are trying to spin it as “nominal fees”, but a look at the numbers and content involved is pretty shocking:
“FBC produced programmes for the BBC about Malaysia without declaring that it had been allocated £17m by the Malaysian government to carry out a global strategic communications campaign. The BBC also found that FBC had breached programme guidelines on a programme it made on the subject of Egypt this March during the Arab Spring uprisings. The Independent has established that FBC has worked for the regime of the former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak.”
Perhaps most damning is the fact that a BBC World documentary about climate change was sponsored by green crusaders Envirotrade. And of course “Envirotrade was featured in a positive light in the programme but viewers were unaware that there was a funding arrangement in place.” The BBC have ruled “that commercial, financial or other interests may have influenced the editorial judgments in these programmes.”
So remember that next time you swallow the Beeb’s “the debate is over” climate change line…

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BBC drops Frozen Planet's climate change episode to sell show better abroad - Telegraph
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 07:34   #9309 (permalink)
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Michael Mann, professor of meteorology and geosciences and director, Earth System Science Center, Penn State, was awarded the Hans Oeschger Medal of the European Geosciences Union.

The medal was established in 2001 in recognition of the scientific achievements of Hans Oeschger to honor outstanding scientists whose work is related to climate: past, present and future.





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Old 17th Nov 2011, 15:39   #9310 (permalink)
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interesting blog about the bias of the BBC

http://biased-bbc.blog spot.com/2011/11/curiouser-and-curiouser.html

copy the lot, paste it into the url space and delete the space between blog and spot.
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 21:17   #9311 (permalink)
 
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gg ,what on earth is your reason for this?


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Old 17th Nov 2011, 21:34   #9312 (permalink)

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gg ,what on earth is your reason for this?
Climates change, always have, always will. In fact, the area you are talking about, used to be very arid, but then the climate changed and the area received much more rain that it did before and did so for a long enough time that people started ranching and farming. If they had listened to the Indians tribes of the area, they would have known that the rain would not last forever.

Not to worry, the rains will return, someday.

Next question.
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 21:49   #9313 (permalink)
 
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I think it's 'God' disliking Perry and his praying for rain.......
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Old 17th Nov 2011, 21:56   #9314 (permalink)

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I think it's 'God' disliking Perry and his praying for rain.......
Ha, ha, love it.
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 07:57   #9315 (permalink)
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Re-entry I think you'll find that it's caused by a phenomenon called La Niña which dominated the Pacific coast of the U.S. and Mexico in the summer of 2010. Cold water on the surface of the ocean changed the weather, forcing the jet stream further north and driving away rain storms. La Niña dissipated for a while, but is returning for the second year in a row.

Some people claim that La Nina is caused by climate change but they have no evidence to back it up. But, even if it is, there is no way that a drought proves that climate change is anthropogenic.

Incidentally tree rings have shown that the last time Texas had such a severe drought was 1789.
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Old 18th Nov 2011, 17:11   #9316 (permalink)
 
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gg ,what on earth is your reason for this?
Re-entry, what on earth is your reason for it being bloody freezing over here with overnight temperatures sitting below 0°C all week.............
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What on earth is the reason for it being bloody freezing over here with overnight temperatures sitting below 0°C all week.............
It's called mid-November weather where you are......
Remember about "weather"?

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Old 19th Nov 2011, 04:32   #9318 (permalink)
 
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Christiaan, don't spoil my fun!!

I just wanted re-entry to show how the "weather" here is any more significant, as far as AGW goes, compared to a drought in Texas that such a common occurrence it doesn't happen for more than 200 years..........
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This could explain some of the BBC's bias regarding global warming....

BBC's Mr Climate Change accepted £15,000 in grants from university rocked by global warning scandal | Mail Online

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A senior BBC journalist accepted £15,000 in grants from the university at the heart of the ‘Climategate’ scandal – and later went on to cover the story without declaring an interest to viewers.

Roger Harrabin, the BBC’s ‘environment analyst’, used the money from the University of East Anglia’s Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research to fund an ‘ad hoc’ partnership he ran with a friend.

Mr Harrabin, an influential figure who both broadcasts and advises other BBC journalists, later reported extensively about Climategate. The scandal erupted two years ago when emails were leaked from the Tyndall Centre’s sister department, the Climatic Research Unit at the same university.

The leaks left the scientific community in dis-array after claims that key data was manipulated in the run-up to a major climate change summit.

An official inquiry later found that although there had been no scientific fraud, there was ‘a consistent pattern of failing to display the proper degree of openness, both on the part of CRU scientists and on the part of the UEA’.
In none of Mr Harrabin’s reports on the subject were the grants that he and his friend Dr Joe Smith had received from UEA ever mentioned. However, BBC insiders claim that the use to which the money was put – annual Real World seminars for top BBC executives on issues including climate change – had a significant impact on the Corporation’s output.
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Wind farms are useless, says Duke - Telegraph

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said Mr Wilmar. “I was surprised by his very frank views.”
Really?
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