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Old 14th Nov 2011, 10:40   #9301 (permalink)
 
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As a potential Investor in Scientists with BIG ideas I am now looking for the next science scam.

I invested well under the Ozone scam. I bought up all the kit which the Montreal Convention had forced to shut, and sold it to India, who now make more CFCs and HCFCs than Dupont and ICI ever did. I even got a nice senior Civil servant who was then at the DTI (and is now responsible for Aviation in the DFT) to give me a grant to get it there.

The CO2 scam has been even better. I learnt not to actually make anything, but I cornered the market in the software for controlling solar PV panels. However, that's now gone off the boil.

Please, folks, what is the next big Science scam that the scientists will invent to keep their grants forthcoming??

I was given a tip about Ipad radiation and wi-fi waves killing off cats and dogs, but I'm not sure that the magazine Nature will buy that one.

The other tip was to short sell the Big Pharma Co.s as they have been creative with their results for some time. However, a mate in the City warned me off that one as the City has known about it for years.

Looking forward to your help

AO

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Old 14th Nov 2011, 10:55   #9302 (permalink)
 
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at least you make an attempt to argue the science unlike most warmists

when you stop that sort of posting, I might consider engaging with you on a different level
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 11:50   #9303 (permalink)
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 13:07   #9304 (permalink)
 
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I invested well under the Ozone scam. I bought up all the kit which the Montreal Convention had forced to shut, and sold it to India, who now make more CFCs and HCFCs than Dupont and ICI ever did. I even got a nice senior Civil servant who was then at the DTI (and is now responsible for Aviation in the DFT) to give me a grant to get it there.
And why was that a scam? We can easily measure ozone concentration in the upper atmosphere and there's clearly a large area with severely depleted ozone levels. CFCs were proven time and time again to be the principle driver of this hole.
Just because the media has gotten bored with talking about it doesn't mean that it's no longer a problem. It jut means that the media have the attention span of a toddler when it comes to science.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 14:32   #9305 (permalink)
 
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Since when has 'global warming' been about science?
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 16:03   #9306 (permalink)
 
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I think this explains everything........

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Old 14th Nov 2011, 16:43   #9307 (permalink)
 
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Sorted! Chicken taxing, then? Wait......
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 16:54   #9308 (permalink)
 
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Set it and forget it.

As for the deleted post wondering where to invest in the latest progressive/environmentalist scam, I'm thinking the next buzz is going to be class warfare - the income equality gap.

Rich is bad; poor is good.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 17:00   #9309 (permalink)
 
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GG

You disagreed with him, so he won't talk to you. Ok.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 20:08   #9310 (permalink)
 
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Unfortunately, being ignored is only the first in a long line of Leftist playbook. Second, is marginalization, then comes ridicule, then attack, then fury.

Then you win.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 20:24   #9311 (permalink)
 
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ah Lyman,

The Kübler-Ross model indeed applies to the warmistas:
  1. Denial — The Models are true.
  2. Anger — Blame the sceptics / oil companies / banks. (delete as appropriate)
  3. Bargaining — OK, so its not AGW..... its Climate Change!
  4. Depression — Everything we believed was bollocks and falsified.
  5. Acceptance — Well that protest cause is done and over 'we're soo over that....AGW is sooo 2005; now lets protest about banks/cuts/wall street' etc ad nauseum.
warmistas are all in various stages.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 06:25   #9312 (permalink)

 
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Just the same as me.
Mmmmm....nope don't think so. I search what you would call
non-mainstream to obtain figures and math, and what yer SI
propagandists on GW (called Greens) won't tell you.

The GW scam has plenty of politics and herds of followers (I
think Lenin had a name for such followers back in 1913 when
"political correctness" was first touted as a method to stifle
any logical debate that wasn't in harmony with the ambitions
of the Left). You can pay all your carbon taxes and turn off all
your lights till the cows come home, just as long as you and
your bunch don't impose your uncultured and baseless belief
system on anyone else's hip pocket or lifestyle.

Just get your taxes up here so that we don't have to pay any.
I read old Banky Moon of the UN is now starting to call in the
pledges, so start coughing up Mr Reentry which will please
our Yumlick no end!
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 06:39   #9313 (permalink)

 
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I think this explains everything........
I recall yonks ago old Julius Sumner Miller calculated one can
heat up a cup of coffee just by talking to it. Adherents to the
AGW religion and its sects will be pleased to hear that. Only
fly in the ointment with this method is that it will take an 8oz
cup of top notch Brazilian blend 1,000 years (give or take a
month) to heat adequately with a single greenfellah yapping
to it.

In the name of the Gore
And of the Left
And of the holy Greens
Amen.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 06:52   #9314 (permalink)
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And why was that a scam? We can easily measure ozone concentration in the upper atmosphere and there's clearly a large area with severely depleted ozone levels. CFCs were proven time and time again to be the principle driver of this hole.
Strange, NASA now claim it's caused by the cold which is a result of.........climate change.

Who'd ha' thunk it. Wonder if Hansen was involved....

NASA Leads Study Of Unprecedented Arctic Ozone Loss

..........."Day-to-day temperatures in the 2010-11 Arctic winter did not reach lower values than in previous cold Arctic winters," said lead author Gloria Manney of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., and the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology in Socorro. "The difference from previous winters is that temperatures were low enough to produce ozone-destroying forms of chlorine for a much longer time. This implies that if winter Arctic stratospheric temperatures drop just slightly in the future, for example as a result of climate change, then severe Arctic ozone loss may occur more frequently.".........
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 08:48   #9315 (permalink)
 
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To be fair Orac, the way I understand it, NASA are saying that the chlorine in the CFC emitted by man reacts with the ozone at very cold temperatures. Without the cold, the CFC would be benign.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 09:08   #9316 (permalink)
 
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Strange, NASA now claim it's caused by the cold which is a result of.........climate change.
Try reading your own posts. They don't claim that at all. HEre's the important line in case you missed it:
"The difference from previous winters..."

Also, it's talking about the Arctic whereas the primary problem with Ozone depletion (and the one everyone was talking about a few years ago) was in the antarctic.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 09:14   #9317 (permalink)
 
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Ozone depletion is exothermic, how does low ambient energy speed it up? I think NASA is getting at an atmospheric issue/circulation issue, not the diminution of Ozone. If so, the vector would be Solar, as circulation depends on Equatorial winds. Reuse, recycle, and reduce the reducers.

Pie?
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 12:29   #9318 (permalink)
 
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How do I know it was a scam?

Ozone depletion has continued at a much faster rate since the Montreal Convention. Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up. Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?

Western scientists received lots of wads of loadsamoney to prove that the problem was caused by CFCs and HCFCs. (Never mind Popper and Fisher). Now CFCs and HCFCs are no longer made in the West, the problem increases at a faster rate.

However, there are no grants available to investigate it. All the grants have gone to the Warmists.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 13:14   #9319 (permalink)
 
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How do I know it was a scam?

Ozone depletion has continued at a much faster rate since the Montreal Convention. Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up. Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?

Western scientists received lots of wads of loadsamoney to prove that the problem was caused by CFCs and HCFCs. (Never mind Popper and Fisher). Now CFCs and HCFCs are no longer made in the West, the problem increases at a faster rate.

However, there are no grants available to investigate it. All the grants have gone to the Warmists.
But to understand that AO, you have to remember one key statement:
Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.Ottmar Edenhofer
So lets look at that statement. Where is the objective 'wealth' being transferred from and to ? The post-industrialised 'west' to developing industrialised nations.

Ergo, we destroy our own industry and commerce and transfer our wealth to the nations who are developing their heavy industry. And we do that by promoting policies in the name of 'environmentalism' to shift industry and pollution from developed stabled countries and economies to those that do not have such environmental policies restricting industry.

Now we re-read your postulation AO

"Ozone depletion has continued at a much faster rate since the Montreal Convention. Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up. Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?

Western scientists received lots of wads of loadsamoney to prove that the problem was caused by CFCs and HCFCs. (Never mind Popper and Fisher). Now CFCs and HCFCs are no longer made in the West, the problem increases at a faster rate."

and while on first glance it may appear irrational in terms of environment or climate, in terms of economic destruction in developed economies, it makes perfect sense.
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Old 15th Nov 2011, 15:49   #9320 (permalink)
 
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Since the Convention, the scientists have all shut up.
No they haven't. As I said in my previous post the media is no longer listening.

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Maybe cos the grants have finished in that area?
Really? I just checked and NASA alone has awarded 48 grants for ozone research in 2011, and a similar number in 2010.


But hey, that would disagree with your viewpoint, and we can't have these tricky facts disagreeing with your predetermined ideas, can we?
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