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Old 15th Oct 2011, 20:23   #9221 (permalink)
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What's even more worrying is that people actually believe what they say about things like chocolate and coffee instead of thinking production will just move north a bit to compensate if needed.
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Old 15th Oct 2011, 21:15   #9222 (permalink)
 
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The scientific statement that in 10, 20 or 30 years you won't be able to have a coffee because climate change will mean that the beans can't be grown.

the AGW'ers worried about a coming ice age then ?

best break out the hummers then !

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Irrespective of the climate change debate I don't believe that pumping masses of pollution into the atmosphere is a good thing.
Indeed. However, Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant, it is essential for life.
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Sadly, Magnus, the same government that pays numpties like Hansen also has officially classified CO2 as a Pollutant.

That would be the Environmental Protection Agency, the EPA.....
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Indeed, Lyman; let's get rid of CO2, and then we can all starve to death. Pack of numpties, the lot of them.
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Consider the fact that the Golden Gate state ranks in the bottom 10% of new jobs created and retention of existing businesses. My own (very limited) experience tallies well with these statistics.
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I see the propaganda prior to the next Climate Conference has started. All aimed at getting Third World countries to rally to the cause.

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Old 18th Oct 2011, 17:53   #9228 (permalink)
 
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from the BBC report linked by pulse:
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In Afghanistan, for example, fuel has to be delivered by road from Pakistan
Not correct. Most comes in From Uzbekistan through the new rail link to oil storage depots near Hairatan, Afghanistan. (I have the joy of investigating the theft of a couple of hundred tons of Jet A-1 there that was shipped in by rail all the way from Estonia - wonder what the Environmentalists would make of that )
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 18:07   #9229 (permalink)
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BBC News - Climate change 'grave threat' to security and health
The BBC's "Country File" programme had a very biased report on wind turbines on Sunday, along with the usual Global warming/climate change/disruption rant. I think their pension fund investments must need a boost.
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Besides a more fertile and productive Planet, in the midst of untold hectares of newly arable dirt, I will have Summer again in San Francisco. We had one last Nino, it was mahvellous.

Looking for the downside of AGW, cannot find one. Wait, sidewalk salesmen like Mann and Gore will be oot a yob? That's an upside.

Like the Tundra melting is a bad thing? The Galosh bidness will explode.
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Old 18th Oct 2011, 22:33   #9231 (permalink)
 
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Lyman,
We don't always agree, but there I agree with you....

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Old 18th Oct 2011, 23:11   #9232 (permalink)
 
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As unhappy as I am to "oppose" you elsewhere, I am pleased when we agree. It is a compliment to be on your side.

You are a gentleman.
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I see the propaganda prior to the next Climate Conference has started. All aimed at getting Third World countries to rally to the cause.
More of the same nonsense. As before make sure you stick to the facts and point out all the times they've lied and why.
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Old 19th Oct 2011, 09:05   #9234 (permalink)
 
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"The BBC's "Country File" programme had a very biased report on wind turbines on Sunday ..."

I started watching this because it sounded quite reasonable then switched off when it turned into a blatant advert for wind power.
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Old 19th Oct 2011, 18:02   #9235 (permalink)
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You really couldn't make this up.


October 17, 2011
Windmills to shut at night following demise of rare bat


Night operation of the windmills in the North Allegheny Windpower Project has been halted following discovery of a dead Indiana bat under one of the turbines, an official with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Monday.

The finding marks only the second location where an Indiana bat has been found dead under a wind turbine. Two Indiana bats were found under turbines in the Mid-west, said Clint Riley, supervisor for Fish and Wildlife’s Pennsylvania field office.

“While finding the dead bat is not good news for any of us, it does show the monitoring works,” Riley said from his State College office.

Full story: Windmills to shut at night following demise of rare bat » Local News » The Tribune Democrat, Johnstown, PA
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Old 19th Oct 2011, 18:41   #9236 (permalink)
 
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That's the main thing that annoys me about the greenies - they complain about everything and never come up with a workable solution.

Can't have nuclear as it'll irradiate the planet (think of the children!). Can't have coal as it'll release nasties into the atmosphere. Can't have gas as it involves digging holes in the sea and killing seagulls. Can't have wind as it kills some stupid bat.
So what can we have?
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Taken to it's natural conclusion, a return to the Stone Age.
Oddly enough that would seem to be what some people want.
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Can't have gas as it involves digging holes in the sea and killing seagulls
And its not if f$#@ seagulls are in short supply.

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Taken to it's natural conclusion, a return to the Stone Age.
Being, a glass half full kinda guy. I tend to think of the positive sides of that outcome. No problem with silly dating etc, knock the nearest wench over the head with your club and wander off with her over your shoulder. After all they do want to go back to nature
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Had a good shouting session at the TV last night.

A news item about fuel poverty (2700 died last year, families choosing between heat and food) was closely followed by one on numpty politicians bleating that a £1bn carbon capture scheme was being abandoned. Can't these idiots see that inflating fuel prices to fund vanity projects is, in fact, killing people?
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They don't care MagnusP, as far as they are concerned, it means they pay out less in benefits, and it helps reduce the over population problem.
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