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Old 4th Nov 2011, 20:22   #9221 (permalink)
 
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Richard Black is a Greenpeace clone.

A quick look at historical meteorological observations stops so called AGW in its tracks. No SUVs and a varied series of weather anomalies that would now be regarded as 'proof' of Climate Change.

Doh!

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Scrub all Wind Farms/BioFuels/Carbon Trading please David Cameron.
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 09:56   #9222 (permalink)
 
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New ice age already here?

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Old 5th Nov 2011, 22:39   #9223 (permalink)
 
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Then there's always the problem of those damned aircraft.........

BBC News - Climate summit set for rows on flying, cash and history
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 02:42   #9224 (permalink)

 
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So, if the hockey-stick is wrong... yet the study found evidence of global warming? Does this mean that this study too was a scam?
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Old 8th Nov 2011, 12:56   #9225 (permalink)
 
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The Hockey Stick was not wrong. It was the product of a lie, and some sly manipulation. What it implied was wrong; there is warming. The extent and source of this apparent warming is being "managed" by those with personal motives and investments, and their toadies.

The ultimate frustration is that since it is supposedly "Science Based" it is getting away with social/Political Murder.

On the gravy train are bufffoons who could not sell insurance, or heat to eskimoes.

The public does not cotton well to a busted "sales Pitch". As the Warmists get more desperate, Science takes a bruising, and legitimate progress on important fronts are blunted, and ignored.

I would not mind another half/one degree in another 100 years, and frankly would prefer it in the next year or two.

We are paying an exorbitant, obscene price for the waste and yammering from the likes of Gore, Chaudry, Mann, et al. We all have better things to do. The worst wound may be the political "climate" created by this pond scum, this adversarial attack on the collective good.

Disclaimer: I am from California, and love warm weather. I could not promise I would not join Gore, had he made a case instead for Carbon producing a climate of reduced Temperature. Frankly, it makes more sense, given the last decade of cooling here.
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Old 12th Nov 2011, 13:48   #9226 (permalink)
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If I didn't know better I'd think there was a climate change conference happening soon.

The Guardian are rallying the troops.

World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA warns

Any fossil fuel infrastructure built in the next five years will cause irreversible climate change, according to the IEA

The world is likely to build so many fossil-fuelled power stations, energy-guzzling factories and inefficient buildings in the next five years that it will become impossible to hold global warming to safe levels, and the last chance of combating dangerous climate change will be "lost for ever", according to the most thorough analysis yet of world energy infrastructure.

World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA warns | Environment | The Guardian

I suppose it'll be like the 50million climate change refugees by 2010 predicted by the UN
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Old 12th Nov 2011, 14:15   #9227 (permalink)
 
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The upside is that if we wait five years, these morons will have declared themselves irrelevant. They have inadvertantly short timed their relevance. Will they then leave? Of course not, this is a laughable tactic.

Drill.
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Old 12th Nov 2011, 17:50   #9228 (permalink)
 
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OK . I will keep this short and simple.

The Earth is warming.

We are causing it due to oxidation of fossil fuels and land use change. (mainly)

If we don't stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere, we are going into un-charted climate territory, which mostly looks bad for humanity.
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Old 12th Nov 2011, 18:10   #9229 (permalink)
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Re-entry your proof for that statement is ?
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Old 12th Nov 2011, 19:19   #9230 (permalink)

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Re-entry your proof for that statement is ?
Now, now, we're not to ask for proof, we must just accept their word.

Have you not been paying attention.

The short and simple is that the Earth has warmed before, cooled again, warmed again, cooled again, etc. and man has had sod all to do with it.

This old rock we live on is getting older, in case some have not noticed and things change, like the temperature and is doing so faster than before. But some just cannot accept the simple answer.

Anyway, back to your regular scheduled program.
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Old 12th Nov 2011, 22:51   #9231 (permalink)

 
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Good post Re-entry.

Now have your mates at Socialist International start sending
up some of your wealth to Thailand to combat the floods you
caused through all your global warming activities like leaving
your telly standby light on all day. I'm buggered if I'm gonna
pay anything, so you may as well instead. I'm sure that your
credit is good - Yumlick Shinawatra accepts VISA.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 01:46   #9232 (permalink)
 
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Yumlick Shinawatra accepts VISA.
Has Yumlick got an hourly rate, and does she do discount for an all nighter.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 06:15   #9233 (permalink)

 
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Dunno rh - up here we got Yumlick and you got Joolya.

Yumlick would get more than her share of us anxious saliva
droolers who'd donate anything towards any Bangkok Flood
Relief fund she set up if she would give 10 minutes for each
US$100 donation. I don't think Joolya wouldnt've cut a brass
razoo for any Queensland fund along similar lines (except for
the odd curious sniff from a pack of Canberra street dogs).
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 06:42   #9234 (permalink)
 
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which mostly looks bad for humanity.
So there will be good things happening if we keep pumping out co²? That's nice, I hate hearing bad news.


Now why don't all you Warmistas do your bit to save the planet and, well, cut your personal co² output by stopping breathing..........
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 13:37   #9235 (permalink)
 
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World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA warns
Same thing was said 15 years ago.
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Old 13th Nov 2011, 15:30   #9236 (permalink)
 
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Curious as to the 5 year statement. I wonder if they are trying to force their agenda during the (hopefully) last year of the lot in DC. A perceived addition to the ever lessening pool of Obama voters perhaps.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 05:39   #9237 (permalink)
 
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Re-entry your proof for that statement is ?
In a nutshell:-

1. Basic Physics of the GHG effect. We are adding enough CO2 to make a difference.

2. Nothing else explains the warming. Possibilities include the sun's activity, cosmic rays, volcanoes. These have been studied and discounted.

e.g. it has warmed despite a decline in the sun's activity.

3. Fingerprint studies. Models of CO2 increase project warming of the troposphere and cooling of the stratosphere. This has been experimentally confirmed by satellite and weather balloon data.

Warming due to the sun's change would indicate an increase in temp of both the trop. and strat.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 05:55   #9238 (permalink)
 
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Warming due to the sun's change would indicate an increase in temp of both the trop. and strat
The sun cannot significantly warm any air mass directly. All warming of any air mass is through radiation.

If the troposphere is warming then it could be GHG, aerosol, water vapour or terrestial radiation.

As absolutely noody in the world knows one way or another what effect each of those components has in relation to the other then it is simply not possible to draw any conclusions.

Also, as nobody has any long term data for the atmosphere and as there is very little quality data for the surface record the it is very difficult to draw conslutions.

However, it is probably fair to say the US has the best surface temperature record in the world. It shows cooling over the last couple of decades and the hottest year on record being 1934.

So again it is impossible to draw any conclusions whatsoever.
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 06:07   #9239 (permalink)
 
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Positives and negatives of global warming The fake skeptic argument...
It's not bad.


What the science says...
Negative impacts of global warming on agriculture, health & environment far outweigh any positives.


Here’s a list of cause and effect relationships, showing that most climate change impacts will confer few or no benefits, but may do great harm at considerable cost.

Positives and negatives of global warming
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Old 14th Nov 2011, 06:51   #9240 (permalink)
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Righto.

So, Re-entry believes implicitily what he reads in the press and on the BBC so it must be right.

Sciolistes has read the same stuff and it raises queries in an enquiring mind, he delves deeper and finds stuff to counter the Gore perceived wisdom so it must be right.

Result - entrenched positions = hamsterwheel.

Nothing to see here, move along now.

But wait, there's more.....

Re-entry did do a bit of delving and came up with some stunning "now answer that if you can" stuff written by:

Quote:
About the author
Skeptical Science is maintained by John Cook, the Climate Communication Fellow for the Global Change Institute at the University of Queensland. He studied physics at the University of Queensland, Australia. After graduating, he majored in solar physics in his post-grad honours year. He is not a climate scientist
But, he's a scientist so he must be on the button right? No??
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