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Old 1st Sep 2011, 20:15   #9101 (permalink)
 
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Thought we already had a global warming thread.........
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 20:36   #9102 (permalink)
 
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Thought that's how the first charged particle detectors (Wilson cloud chamber) worked.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Does this mean I can breath out now????
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 22:22   #9104 (permalink)
 
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Yes, go ahead, just don't tell anybody.
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Pheeeeewwwww.... Thanks...
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 23:11   #9106 (permalink)
 
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Pheeeeewwwww.... Thanks..
Where do you live, we need to work out the tax on that pollution woops you've got your location, sorry
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Don't you just love all these researchers?
Here in Oz they've been coming out of the woodwork scrambling for more grant money when somoeone discovered there were collectors of scuba equipment who had air samples stored in scuba tanks from as early as the 1950's. No doubt they will spend millions on much needed research over decades to give us... what? Data which other experts will disagree with or data which we already knew decades before?
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 04:27   #9108 (permalink)

 
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This is why in 2009-2010 green commies, AGW brigades and
other morons kept screaming "must do something NOW!" and
"agree to Copenhagen NOW!" "action NOW" etc, because they
needed to begin initiating the redistribution of global wealth
before CERN's results were published.

CERN is a dirty four-letter acronym to these corrupt left-wing
dicks.
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 21:24   #9109 (permalink)
 
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One of the reasons for my disbelief in the AGW scam was that I considered an ice age to be much more likely.

Seems it might be closer than I thought
Croat scientist warns that ice age could start in five years | Ice Age Now
How could a magnetic reversal trigger an ice age?

Shall we see a sudden insistence on everyone driving SUVs to counteract it? Or a total ban on all magnets in case they damage the Earth's magnetic field?

What do fellow pruners thing would scammers would want to control in order to avoid an ice age?
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 21:30   #9110 (permalink)
 
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Perhaps we could prevent the Ice Age occurring by pouring millions of tons of Co2 and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Hmm, we could even introduce some kind of international tax to penalise countries that do not produce their fair share of Co2.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 02:50   #9111 (permalink)

 
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One of the reasons for my disbelief in the AGW scam was that I considered an ice age to be much more likely.
In the 1970's there were claims that we'd have an ice-age. Until proven otherwise, it's just fear-mongering. They're doing everything to justify their agenda.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 03:19   #9112 (permalink)
 
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Salt is bad for you. Causes high blood pressure and all sorts of things that could kill you. We use too much.

Salt is not the bogey man that has previously been believed. An increased intake makes no difference.

Eggs are bad for you. They contain high cholestoral and numerous pathogens.

3 to 5 eggs per week is good for you.

Chocolate is bad for you.

Chocolate is good for you.

Red wine in moderation can ward off a heart attack

Red wine is bad for you.

The climate change band wagon, whether frying or freezing, fits neatly into the foodie scares that appear with monotonous regularity in the media. There's some jumped up little twerp seeking to make use of their BSc and wants to get their name in lights.

A pox on the lot of them. Everything in moderation, whether it be eggs, chocolate, red wine, SUV driving, electricity generation or what have you.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 03:34   #9113 (permalink)

 
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Salt is not the bogey man that has previously been believed. An increased intake makes no difference.
Dunno where you read that Sise - Na is a proven fluid-retainer with
all the health risks, just as tar in ciggies causes cancer and all that
shit.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 05:34   #9114 (permalink)
 
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In the 1970's there were claims that we'd have an ice-age. Until proven otherwise, it's just fear-mongering. They're doing everything to justify their agenda.
As has been said the last hundred times this was brought up: The '70's cooling thing was raised by only a handful of scientists and widely criticised by all the others. That didn't stop the media from jumping on the bandwagon though.

So what it really demonstrates is that the media has always had a habit of getting science completely wrong.They managed it in the '70's and, seeing as we now have journalists without brains, they can manage it again today.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 05:57   #9115 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the two interesting links. I guess that spells doom for my banana plants, tree ferns, cannas etc. I'll have to change to a tundra garden, moss, lichen and a few stunted firs!!

Simonpro. You mean scientist are always right!! I think most people with brains can see that the world is getting cooler, coolest summer in 18 years, a run of three severe winters, snow in parts of the world where it hasn't snowed for years etc etc. Only Big Al and his cronies believe the world is warming.

We're all doomed I tell yer, doomed.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 06:28   #9116 (permalink)
 
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Gore-Tex is the new gold !
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 06:59   #9117 (permalink)
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In the 1970's there were claims that we'd have an ice-age. Until proven otherwise, it's just fear-mongering. They're doing everything to justify their agenda.
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As has been said the last hundred times this was brought up: The '70's cooling thing was raised by only a handful of scientists and widely criticised by all the others. That didn't stop the media from jumping on the bandwagon though.
Bit like CAGW then.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 09:37   #9118 (permalink)
 
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Dunno where you read that Sise
Saw it in either the West Australian or the Australian. Nearest I could find on the net without spending hours and hours is....

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In conclusion, (1) sodium restriction in hypertensive patients reduces blood pressure, and (2) the long-term impact of reduced salt intake on blood pressure, mortality, and morbidity remains to be defined.
Dietary sodium intake and arterial blood pressure. [J Ren Nutr. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

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The effect of salt consumption on long term health outcomes is controversial.[39] Salt reduction appears to have little or no effect on mortality[40] and its effect on morbidity is unknown.[39]
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Some have asserted that while the risks of consuming too much salt are real, the risks have been exaggerated for most people, or that the studies done on the consumption of salt can be interpreted in many different ways
Salt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 10:53   #9119 (permalink)
 
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Bit like CAGW then.
Well there's a few more than just a handful of scientists who think that AGW is a good theory
But the media problem is exactly the same - they go spouting all kinds of bullshit all over the place. It gives people a very skewed perception of what's actually going on.

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Salt is bad for you. Causes high blood pressure and all sorts of things that could kill you. We use too much.

Salt is not the bogey man that has previously been believed. An increased intake makes no difference.

Yet if we examine your wikipedia quote (which is dubious, wiki is a terrible source) then the two citations that it gives both state, contrary to your above quote, that salt decreases BP:
Reduced dietary salt for the prevention of ca... [Am J Hypertens. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Dietary sodium intake and arterial blood pressure. [J Ren Nutr. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
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Salt reduction was associated with reductions in urinary salt excretion of between 27 and 39 mmol/24 h and reductions in systolic BP between 1 and 4 mm Hg.
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(1) sodium restriction in hypertensive patients reduces blood pressure
You've managed to defeat your own argument there.

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There's some jumped up little twerp seeking to make use of their BSc and wants to get their name in lights.
Sounds like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder there. Anyway, within research a BSc is worthless. The people doing the actual medical research into salt intake - just like those doing the actual climate research - will likely have either MDs or PhDs to their name, so it's not a bunch of early-twenties fresh faced grads thinking that they know it all.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 11:38   #9120 (permalink)
 
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We're getting into a diversionary argument here. Salt is not the issue. I was making the point about the contrary media reports on ice ages or global frying and the way that "scientists" (or PHds or MDs or whatever) seek to make a name for themselves by producing some 'research' which, later down track, some equal worthy seeks to rubbish by presenting the opposite view once a bit more research is in.

The net result is that it leaves the layman totally confused and, with enough scare stories, eventually loses faith in any message.

And that's the problem with 'climate change'. The scientists with the active help of a willing media have bigged this thing up too much, common sense then intruded, governments wanted to slug everyone with another tax and - BINGO - your pet theories get consigned to the dustbin along with the newspapers that brought you the news. And that's why the Australian government is on the nose with 70% of the population not giving a fat rat's clacker about carbon taxes.

So, nothing to see here. Move along please.
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