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Old 29th Aug 2011, 06:54   #9101 (permalink)
 
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Cogito ergo fun...

As for the NASA scientists’ Gedankenexperiment, I suppose we should not take anything too literally. Scientists do have a sense of humour too (see people like Richard Feynman) and are likely to use science fiction (they are scientists after all) to further some notions.

Look at poor old Schrodinger and his ubiquitous cat. Shunned and hated by generations of cat lovers when he could have used an amoeba or a fruit fly instead!

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Some Feynman fun...

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~pattis/misc/feynman.pdf

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Old 29th Aug 2011, 13:39   #9102 (permalink)
 
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Now that I think about it, the climate has been pretty much the same my whole long life.

Varations to be sure; some summers hotter and some winters colder, wet and draught cycles, etc. - but pretty much the same, nevertheless. Amazingly so, in fact.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 19:03   #9103 (permalink)

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If you dig into the backgroudn you'll find that this study wasn't an official NASA study, it was done by some NASA employees in their spare time and at no cost to the agency.
Well you know, that's a bit curious to me, as when I went to work for the US Government one of the many conditions of employment that I had to agree to and affirm, was that I could not write anything and release it without permission from Washington, not even a cookbook.

It didn't matter if I was on my own time or if it didn't cost the government a penny. Let alone release something under the name of organization I was employed by, without permission.

So somebody is lying or this is a agency CYA action of denial.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 19:18   #9104 (permalink)
 
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What did he get at Ladbroke's? He should have gone each way on the Soviets. They did.

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Old 29th Aug 2011, 20:07   #9105 (permalink)
 
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It didn't matter if I was on my own time or if it didn't cost the government a penny. Let alone release something under the name of organization I was employed by, without permission.
Con, I believe their "study" was released in their own personal capacity (i.e. they were NASA affiliates at Pennsylvania State University) or do the government dark ops types totally abnegate their right to a personal life?

Don't answer that question lest you have to kill me later if you do.

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Old 29th Aug 2011, 20:23   #9106 (permalink)

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Don't answer that question lest you have to kill me later if you do.
Too late. Just don't answer the door for a while and you may be okay.

Now, what was the question?
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 23:26   #9107 (permalink)
 
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I must admit....
Linking Roswell and AGW is an achievement, even on JB.

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Old 30th Aug 2011, 01:15   #9108 (permalink)
 
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One is aware that Penn State University is the employer of Dr. Mann? And that a "Special Investigative Team" cleared him of the "Hockey Shtick" Schtick?

Commingling one's professional allegiance and perquisites with one's own research is, ahem.....unprofessional? This is what got Hansen his soily rep, eh? Also cashing Checks from Gore's Friend, Blood?
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 02:27   #9109 (permalink)

 
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A slight over-simplification of what the new research seems to be saying.
I apologize, I was simply trying to give an abstract explanation for purposes of brevity. I am aware that there are a multitude of causes for changes of climate.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 06:48   #9110 (permalink)
 
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Well you know, that's a bit curious to me, as when I went to work for the US Government one of the many conditions of employment that I had to agree to and affirm, was that I could not write anything and release it without permission from Washington, not even a cookbook.
That's completely impracticable in science, though. NASA employees publish tens of thousands of papers each year, and you'd need a hell of a lot of penpushers to read through them all.
As far as I know from talking to my American colleagues you're free to publish as long as you adhere to some basic guidelines on content (scientific quality, impartiality etc). One requirement is that everything you publish has your NASA affiliation on it (whether it was done in NASA time or not), which is the source of problems such as this one. Another major sticking point is - as with all US employees - you have to make your paper freely available. Journal publishers hate that as they lose revenue.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 14:47   #9111 (permalink)
 
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The alien thing now that's funny. It brings to mind that very funny show 'The Big Bang Theory'. Nerds the lot of them, maybe they came back from a trekkie convention.

Speaking of crackpots, I see Gore is at it again:

Gore Likens Climate Sceptics To Opponents Of Civil Rights Movement - Irish Weather Online

Comparing skepticism to racism! Oh dear the poor dear is losing it. I can easily see AGW proponents edging quietly away from him. With friends like that..........
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 15:05   #9112 (permalink)
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I see Hanson's been arrested yet again.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 22:04   #9113 (permalink)

 
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Comparing skepticism to racism! Oh dear the poor dear is losing it. I can easily see AGW proponents edging quietly away from him. With friends like that..........
Actually, it will probably work better than you'd think. Most people find racism appalling (as they should), which is very effective to galvanize support. Also it might silence some criticism, considering political correctness.

Of course this is not racism, this is demagoguery and appeals to emotion to advance a morally bankrupt agenda
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 19:35   #9114 (permalink)
 
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Global Warming? - CO2 not to Blame?

A recent experiment at CERN in Geneva suggest that variations in the activity of the Sun may be the source of our current global warming trend. If this is the case, then current concerns over CO2 emissions are misplaced and investments in mitigation are unnecessary.


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Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.

Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.
CERN experiment confirms cosmic ray action « Calder's Updates
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 20:46   #9115 (permalink)
 
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The Sun causes warming ?

Next thing you know they'll be claiming the Moon affects our tides !
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 20:52   #9116 (permalink)

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Saw a documentary on U.K. a few years ago in which a scientist had done deep core samples, and various other tests, and he reckoned that the changes the Earth is starting to go through are part of a naturally occuring cycle which takes 35,000 years to complete.
I am not a scientist, but do try to keep up with issues, and remember thinking at the time that what the guy was saying seemed perfectly plausible.
I have no doubt that we must be having some effect on our beatiful Earth, there are so many of us trying to in so many different ways, whether we mean to or not, but I'm afraid I remain 100% unconvinced by the present day Global Warming Tax-Them-Till-They-Squeak Brigade.
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 21:15   #9117 (permalink)
 
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Thought we already had a global warming thread.........
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 21:36   #9118 (permalink)
 
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Thought that's how the first charged particle detectors (Wilson cloud chamber) worked.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Does this mean I can breath out now????
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 23:22   #9120 (permalink)
 
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Yes, go ahead, just don't tell anybody.
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