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Old 3rd Jun 2011, 01:35   #7981 (permalink)
 
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The irony is that in the last decade, CO2 levels went up 5% and temperatures dropped. So go figure AGW!
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Old 3rd Jun 2011, 02:20   #7982 (permalink)
 
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Meanwhile, back in Oz, the dysfunctional bunch of outright liars called the Federal Government is trying its damndest to screw Oz economically by introducing a Carbon Tax which, prior to the last election, they specifically said that it wouldn't do. They are in that position because the slugs of the Greens are critical in keeping the minority Gillard government afloat and a 'deal' was done.

Failure on this subject would bring the government down and the loss of salaries and power is too much to bear for this bunch of incompetents so, in addition to promising vast amounts of largesse to the disadvantaged (read Labor voter) they also keep hitting us with the biggest scare campaigns in history. So much so that the residents of Alice Springs must be surely fearful for their lives following sea level rises.

Unfortunately for them the opposition has tapped in to the natural scepticism and innate common sense of the average human being (I exclude Labor supporters from that statement) and is riding high in the polls with an increasing 2/3 majority not in favour of a carbon tax.

To counter this the head liar, Gillard, says that the opposition is mounting a "scare campaign"!! Kettle, pot.



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Those figures in newspapers are speculation and they are not dealing with the assistance that we will be providing to households," Ms Gillard told reporters in Canberra today.
"Mr Abbott is someone who believes in scare campaigns."
It has been estimated a $26/tonne carbon tax would raise around $15 billion a year.
Ms Gillard said the biggest use of the revenue would go to "assisting households".


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Ms Gillard said the planet was warming dangerously and the tax's effects would not be as severe as being portrayed by the opposition.
She told delegates that she would not be buckling under the political pressure.
"Our national ethos is to have a go," she said.
"And together we will tackle climate change, price carbon, provide assistance to families and protect jobs."
The ALP conference ended in high farce this afternoon when too few members returned to the conference floor after lunch.
Not even the "true believers" are that committed
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Old 3rd Jun 2011, 04:35   #7983 (permalink)
 
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Christiana Figueres has degrees in Sociology and Anthropology so obviously knows what she's talking about.
She's talking about governments imposing controls on their citizens, so her qualifications are indeed relevant.
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Old 3rd Jun 2011, 19:13   #7984 (permalink)
 
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Reference please GG #7930

Where is the source for the claim that global warming cannot exceed 1.7C?

Thanks
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Old 3rd Jun 2011, 20:54   #7985 (permalink)
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First of all nobody said cannot and it only referred to doubling of CO2 (yes my wording was a bit sloppy as it was meant to be a sarcastic comment)

Unfortuently since the threads were merged all my references are now meaningless but I think this is the one: NASA - 'Greener' Climate Prediction Shows Plants Slow Warming
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Old 3rd Jun 2011, 21:20   #7986 (permalink)

 
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The irony is that in the last decade, CO2 levels went up 5% and temperatures dropped. So go figure AGW!
Clearly, it's important to point out any examples where the climate scientists were wrong.


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they also keep hitting us with the biggest scare campaigns in history.
Repulsive isn't it?


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She's talking about governments imposing controls on their citizens, so her qualifications are indeed relevant.
What "controls" exactly do they wish to impose?


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Where is the source for the claim that global warming cannot exceed 1.7C?
Dunno, but I hope somebody will find it!
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Old 4th Jun 2011, 13:56   #7987 (permalink)
 
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ref#7941

Thanks greengranite for this, which does look to be your source. In short, this NASA study implies that a doubling of CO2 (not sure what the baseline was) would lead to a temperature rise of 1.7C, whereas the majority of models indicate 2C to 4.5C. Good news as far as it goes but not that good.

If the NASA figure proves correct, the consequences of business as usual will not be too severe. I would feel more comfortable if the NASA figure was at the top of a set of projections rather than the bottom.

I do realise that some (probably most on this board), don't think the world is warming at all, or that if it is, there is some other cause than man made CO2.

What the actual outturn will be will assuredly be found out.
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Old 4th Jun 2011, 14:15   #7988 (permalink)
 
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What the actual outturn will be will assuredly be found out.
But by that stage we're all going to be bankrupted by the loonies running this particular scam.

And once they decide to change tack and confess that they've got it all wrong death threats (which have apparently caused the University of Melbourne to move their 'climate scientists' into more secure accommodation today) will be the least of their worries.
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Old 4th Jun 2011, 14:24   #7989 (permalink)
 
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25cms of snow fell in the central Pyranees on 2nd June. Not exctly a normal event.......
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Old 4th Jun 2011, 14:55   #7990 (permalink)
 
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Ask the locals to explain the 'Ice Saints' to you....

Here (French coast of the Mediterranean, about 100km from the Spanish border), we have no snow, but rain, cold, wind and a thunderstorm this morning.

What's ironic is that it's the 'Ascension' long weekend in France, so a lot of people have gambled on the weather being OK in the S of France in early June and have headed South, while the weather in Paris is better at the moment....

It's all 'weather' and 'micro-climate' ...

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Old 4th Jun 2011, 15:45   #7991 (permalink)
 
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I do realise that some (probably most on this board), don't think the world is warming at all, or that if it is, there is some other cause than man made CO2.

What the actual outturn will be will assuredly be found out.
The question is NOT "Is the world warming" but "Is MAN causing the world to warm up". Most here tend to think that the answer to the first one is "Yes" and the second "No, it's a NATURAL occurrence". Also, the "science" (a term I use VERY loosely) is TOTALLY flawed, the methodology is flawed and, when that is pointed out, then the hysterics and finger pointing starts. That is not "science", but typical pinko leftie bullying.
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Old 4th Jun 2011, 15:47   #7992 (permalink)
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I do realise that some (probably most on this board), don't think the world is warming at all, or that if it is, there is some other cause than man made CO2.
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I think you'll find that most people on here happily accept that the world is warming by the steady trend of 0.4C per century, but a lot are skeptical of the large amount above that figure, because of the way the data is manipulated to take into account UHIs, time of day the readings are taken, the bad siting of recording stations, etc. As for CO2, the main thing that would prove it, the hot spot in the upper atmosphere, is not there.
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Old 4th Jun 2011, 15:54   #7993 (permalink)

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Well now you do have to admit that the AGW crowd do have their propagandist answers down pat.

Too hot; AGW

Too cold; AGW

Too much rain; AGW

Too little rain; AGW

Too much snow; AGW

Too little snow; AGW

Light bulb burns out; AGW


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Old 6th Jun 2011, 00:31   #7994 (permalink)
 
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Question to hard = AGW hysterics ..








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Old 6th Jun 2011, 00:32   #7995 (permalink)
 
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Why is Oz Prime Minister Gillard terrified to meet a sceptic?

Good question..

An invitation from a man who "runs the most-read political blog in Australia", is a sceptic, and has his own TV show...


"...If the truth is so clearly on the side of the warmists, why this fear of debate? Wouldn’t they welcome the chance to show up the sceptics? Humiliate them, live on television?
The warmists’ fear of debate tells you everything about the shakiness of their theories. And how unsure they are themselves of their own case."


Why is Gillard terrified to meet a sceptic? | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog




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Old 6th Jun 2011, 01:12   #7996 (permalink)
 
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Do you mean people like Dr. Richard Alley?

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Old 6th Jun 2011, 19:37   #7997 (permalink)

 
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"...If the truth is so clearly on the side of the warmists, why this fear of debate?
Because their arguments are fundamentally flawed and in a live debate there's a risk that somebody would punch a hole in their argument and they worry that everything would unravel at that point.

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Wouldn’t they welcome the chance to show up the sceptics? Humiliate them, live on television?
The warmists’ fear of debate tells you everything about the shakiness of their theories.
Of course

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And how unsure they are themselves of their own case."
Now that's not true at all, Binghi; they know their arguments are wrong but simply do not care. They aren't motivated about being right; they are motivated by concluding the premise they created as to justify the global carbon tax, and with that a carbon taxer (i.e. global governance).
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Old 6th Jun 2011, 23:25   #7998 (permalink)
 
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For those of you in Brisbane on the 18th of June, you may be interested in attending this,


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Old 7th Jun 2011, 02:35   #7999 (permalink)

 
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From what I hear it looks like Oz is pretty much screwed and
the bogan will get her carbon tax pushed through, with the
view of a trading scam in place within 5 years time. This is a
serious redistribution of personal wealth and corporate capital
with a vengeance.

Australia has the wrong government at the wrong time, too
many malicious commies with too much power, and too much
of the populace has succumbed to the Socialist tried n true
method of Fabian-style brainwashing (and like that hasn't
happened before!)

Scratch Oz. I expect it might still remain a reasonably nice
place to visit, though it will become much more expensive
to do so than it is now.
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Old 7th Jun 2011, 04:34   #8000 (permalink)
 
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Ain't that the truth Slasher. And what's more annoying, to boot, is that we no longer have a politics thread where we can comment on it on threat of a permanent ban if anyone tries to resurrect a politics thread or even contribute to such a thread!

It's a real shame considering how much is happening in Oz politics at the moment with a dysfunctional government that needs every avenue to bring it to account. And the proposed carbon tax is only one of the cock ups!
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