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Old 27th Apr 2007, 17:24   #41 (permalink)
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About 5 years ago I was walking along the coast at night with a group of friends (a few of whom also fly) and we spotted 2 lights out to sea moving backwards and forwards at incredible speed.

We all followed this for about 5 seconds or so convinced they were from UFO's. Then out of the darkness into the seafront lights emerged.... 2 ducks!

How the light reflected from them created the optical illusions it did I have no idea but if I hadn't seen them fly into the light I would probably be telling people to this day that there were UFO's off the South Coast.

I imagine there is usually a more likely explanation than little green men, unless of course you believe the papers
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Old 27th Apr 2007, 17:43   #42 (permalink)
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"Anyone know if there is any topography adjacent to the Channel Islands that can produce lenticulars?"

Ortac rock!
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Old 27th Apr 2007, 19:56   #43 (permalink)
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I have seen lenticulars in mid-Atlantic on a couple of occasions (and I speak as someone who has done a fair amount of wave soaring - apart from the day job).
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 00:45   #44 (permalink)
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At 3:31 am 27 April 2007 a large shiny object was spoted levitating about 10 min on the skyline.

"As I was walking home, I noticed a 'star' which was slightly larger then the others. I stopped for a minute and realized that it was changing it's shape. From an oval to a circle. It was shining very bright. A yellow object with a green outline. I couldn't believe my eyes. I used my cellphone to take two pictures. At first, I didn't really think it was an UFO because I don't actually believe in those things, but I'm not so sure any more." said the eyewitness, Damir Đuretić.

The picture was taken in Knin (Croatia). It was also seen by some UK Pilots (the same object ?)


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Old 28th Apr 2007, 07:14   #45 (permalink)
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About eight years ago we cruised west over Michigan somewhere. The 757 Captain described to me something which I have never heard from any pilot, whether a pro. pilot or amateur.

He had been on a similar flight just before sunset and they could see the lights of Chicago to the left across Lake Michigan. Both pilots saw several bright but very small round objects move at an unbelievable speed from near Chicago across the lake to their plane. There were no small spotlights anywhere-no possible source, and it was a clear sky, or at least there had been no clouds. The very small bright round objects flew small aerobatic sort of maneuvers in front, to the side of the plane. They asked ATC if anything was nearby. Nothing.

The objects disappeared and then came back. When the Captain asked the FO whether he saw them again, the FO looked down and said "I don't want to see them", because nobody else would ever believe them.

This is all that he told me and I wish that I had written his name down and called him later about the incident.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 07:25   #46 (permalink)
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1) The photo with the cloud like phenomens is apparently faked.
Some curious person at another forum has found the original photo where the "UFO"s were superimposed upon:


2) What are all those jokes about this ORAC waypoint?

Apart from some people thinking that this rock is some kind of sinister ("Accordingly the sailors, as they passed, were in the habit of kneeling many times before the Ortac rock, until the day when the fable was destroyed, and the truth took its place. For it has been discovered, and is now well established, that the lonely inhabitant Of the rock is not a saint, but a devil.") it looks pretty much like a... rock: ;-)

(from Wikipedia)

3) The interview with the pilot can be found here:

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Old 28th Apr 2007, 09:36   #47 (permalink)
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According to Jeremy Clarkson in 'I Know You Got Soul' a RAF Lightning pilot happened upon a SR71 Blackbird mid channel. When the crew spotted him, they accelerated away. His squadron mates where highly sceptical. "Oh I see. So you saw a hugh black plane that accelerated away from you spewing diamond shaped blue exhaust.." This when the Lightning was pretty much the fastest aircraft in the sky. You can see their point.
Just curious, but I had understood that the Blackbird was even faster than the Lightning?
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 09:47   #48 (permalink)
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Considerably faster, but I think the point he is trying to make is at the time, the existence of the SR-71 wasn't common knowledge.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 11:28   #49 (permalink)
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Cool UFO's

OK, I’ll stick my head above the parapet.

I was an aerial photographer from 1979-2001, dealing mostly with fast jets, and was also involved closely with flight testing & development projects.

In all that time I never saw anything remotely UFO-like.

This last Sunday however ( bearing in mind the original report at the beginning of this thread ) April 22nd, about 21:30 I saw something pretty odd from my boat, in the NW corner of Chichester Harbour, West Sussex.

It appeared as a bright white light with a strong red tinge.

It seemed to be a short distance N of Havant, and about 2,000 ft, but of course not knowing the item it’s impossible to tell distances etc.

It was static, in all axis, and certainly not a flare.

I used 7 x 50 binoculars and it still appeared a strange bright white light with a red tinge – I feel I would have recognised an aircraft with landing lights, and this was not it.

I had a fairly decent digital camera with me, but felt it pointless as the object was hazy and any zoom would have taken out ground references – now I understand a little more the lack of decent photo’s, as it eluded me, a supposedly pro’aerial photographer…

I’m familiar with Goodwood, the Tacan beacon & traffic at Midhurst ( live near there ) and the fairly frequent unlit helicopters at night W of Midhurst.

I also know there’s an advertising blimp over W.Havant at the moment – it was not that, much too far NE from our vantage point.

My father, who has spent a lifetime in aviation and is probably the most sceptical person on Earth, stopped in his tracks when he saw it.

I do think there’s ‘something to all this ’ but of course what it may be is another matter.

In 1985, my girlfriend ( who did not drink or take drugs of any kind ) called me at work saying she could see a silver spherical object over W.Horsham, West Sussex.

As I knew the Dunsfold ATC staff well, I called and asked if they had anything on radar.

I was asked to come over.

I never got a firm answer about the radar, Gatwick said they had nothing, but the SATCO ( a very good guy at that time ) gave me a form straight from a handy pile,
“ UFO Sighting Report” or similarly worded.

It asked for all the details & a sketch.

I was told “ pity you couldn’t have called when it was still in sight, we could have got up a couple of QRA fighters from somewhere”

I was told quietly by quite a few ex-RAF groundcrew of aircraft in their care sent off in chases only to be totally evaded ( as in the Belgian F-16 incident ) but one simply did not discuss such things with pilots.

When I was about 12, so 1974 ish, a bright orange light moved slowly over Horsham one night, seen by thousands including my family.

We tried 10 x 50 binoculars on it and it seemed a translucent orange upright rectangle, with a very bright white light at it’s centre – about phone box proportions.

It moved slowly roughly NE for a good 30 minutes, then shot skywards at phenomenal speed.

After the local paper initially said “ mass sighting ” the next week there was a disclaimer saying it was a ‘scientist bouncing a [email protected] on clouds ’ – interesting, as I even as a young boy was using the stars behind to watch it’s progress – a clear night !

Without going all Von Daniken ( I actually mean this & am not making money from it ) it must be noted that sightings often coincide with historical events – everything from the ‘Foo Fighters’ at the end of WW2 - & the atom bomb – to biblical records ( possibly the truest bit – oops, I’ll get my coat ).

As I am the inverse of Stephen Hawking, my mind like his body, as far as I can make out the current thinking is that faster than light travel involves ‘time travel’ – to the static people – so what some people think of as ‘thousands of years of observation ’ could be an afternoon’s work by some recce’ team !

If you’re reading this, E.T, if planning to do an ‘Independence Day’ please start with Crawley, with Havant a close second…

OK you can all take the P*** out of me now…Just don’t say I didn’t warn you when you’re being probed.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 13:44   #50 (permalink)
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Slightly off track.

The only occasion the MOD will admit to a UFO sighting is when it is to their advantage.

I will give you an example. Many years ago a missile, during test at a MOD establishment, went way off the intended course and became in close proximity to an A/C. The crew I believe filed an air miss report. The MOD came up with the smart finding that it was probably a UFO! Got them off the hook nicely.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 14:20   #51 (permalink)
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I'm sure as a nautical type you know your planets, but looking at a map I see Havant is West of Chichester Harbour and at the moment Venus is verybright, low, to the West, in the sky for several hours after sunset. Add a bit of colouration due to dust in the atmosphere and there is also scope for the red tinge.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 15:13   #52 (permalink)
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I completely understand your comments ( and tend to rather believe the story of the Police car chasing Venus for hours - that would explain a lot on many levels ! ) but if Venus ever gets as big & bright as whatever we saw, the orbits have gone out of synch & we're about to collide with it !

To the naked eye, at a pure guestimate & memory, about 1/2 - 1" wide and a lot brighter than the street lights ashore - I realise that's a good time for atmospheric distortion but genuinely think this was something else.

Also it was to the North of our position ( Sweare Deep, Chichester Harbour ).

I've pointed out Venus to many a crew, among Polaris & other things, in the vague hope it might help them get home if I went over the side or got hit by the boom etc and there was a systems failure or 'finger trouble' ( had a major electrical AND magnetic compass failure at the same time a few years ago, naturally singlehanded in fog, which got my attention ).

I keep an open mind and admit your theory is worth thinking about, but in 35 years of sailing & flying / generally stumbling about, I've never seen anything like it.

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Old 28th Apr 2007, 15:40   #53 (permalink)
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This could be anything but not funny.
Swissair 747 Flight 127 while at FL230 on Aug. 9, 1997 between Philadelphia and New York.

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Old 28th Apr 2007, 16:10   #54 (permalink)
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The Australian case referred to which occured in 1978 involved a pilot by the name of Frederich Valentich. No trace of his Cessna 182 was ever found. Valentich radioed that a strange object whith four green lights seemed to be toying with his aircraft.
A strange metalic sound was heard on the radio, and Valentich was never seen again.
Valentich was not the first or last pilot to come off worse from a UFO encounter. In 1948 an American fighter pilot Capt Thomas Mantell was killed when his P51 mysteriously exploded in mid-air as he closed on a UFO over Kentucky.
Also in the Uk in the 1960s an American exchange pilot Capt Bill Schafner vanished after attempting to intercept a UFO over the North Sea. The Lightning jet he was flying was later found whith the canopy intact, but his body was never found.
In 1976 two Iranian Air Force Phantom jets were scramble to intercept a UFO over Teheran. One of the pilots Lt Jafari attempted to fire a AIM9 Sidewinder missile at the object, as he did his electrical systems failed.
And the list goes on.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 16:59   #55 (permalink)
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Link to one version of the Schaffner event here

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Old 28th Apr 2007, 17:00   #56 (permalink)
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It's a very long time since I read of Mantell's accident - however caused - but I remember a vague impression he was in an F-104 ( haven't googled it ).

As for the Lightning, when you say the canopy was intact, was it closed & the seat not fired & where was the parachute ?

I understood early seats had a manual bail-out option.

I've never heard of that one, though there is the fairly famous story of a ground engine technician running up Lightning engines with no hood, sitting on a box, who managed to get into full reheat and had to take off for a horrific little flight.

As I understand it he got away with it in the short term - a thousand gold stars for eventually landing the thing - but did not do him well later.

There is another story of a U.S. transport crew - during the cold war - who 'lost it' and took the a/c headed on an apparent kamikazi mission East from Germany - a Lightning was said to have taken off with two missiles, came back with one...

Most UFO encounters I've heard of seem to be non-aggresive and quite possibly observational - after all if these things are advanced craft they could presumably make mince-meat of any of our fighters in a blink of an eye ( or whatever they have ! ) though there are some worrying reports, especially ground based, which leads the alien encounter camp to suggest there are several different races, good & bad.

I could introduce you to one person - if they have the same or a follow up address - 'in contact' in the UK - long story but I was extremely sceptical until I was shown something quite inexplicable which frankly scared the hell out of me !

This is not a 'friend of a friend' story, PM me if interested - if a journalist beware, I don't think the people involved would take at all kindly to publicity.

I don't know what I saw, but I was completely sobre and don't do drugs - it did show that we really don't know it all yet.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 17:23   #57 (permalink)
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Talking 'Lightning report'

Having just read this link, it strikes me as badly written bolleaux - how exactly does the author know how the pilot was feeling, how is he a Vietnam veteran, and how come the 'aliens' whatever were so kind as to open & close the canopy ( and the Shackleton crew able to see it ) & fit a different mark seat in the process !!!

If there's any 0.0000001 % chance of a 'cover up' here, maybe some seat records were misplaced...

More likely similar to to the result if I tried to write about womens' fashion.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 17:51   #58 (permalink)
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I met the above many years ago at a party. He was sort of seeing a girl I was at college with.

He assured us that there ARE things out there not human and that UFO's are real.

AND I know some of you are going to come back and take the p*ss. So be it, I can take it.
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 18:02   #59 (permalink)
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Ok, just to add to the discussion, historically earthquakes are often preceded by 'lights in the sky'. Lots of documented cases but no good explanations.

I have a feeling that a pilot flying from Southampton to Alderney and describing an object to the North-West of the island could be looking towards the reported epicentre of this morning's earthquake.

Or not, of course...
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Old 28th Apr 2007, 18:43   #60 (permalink)
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Capt Mantell

I recall that Mantell was in an F 51 Mustang.
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