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Old 28th August 2008, 17:18   #1941 (permalink)
 
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I read in one newspaper article that 10% of the US electorate still believe that Obama is muslim. I guess that is the power of soundbite tv news.
More the power of (lack of) education, that's why no ruling party / class / whatever you call it has an interest in improving education levels (too much). You can find this in Marx' books, but common sense tells it as well.
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Old 28th August 2008, 17:25   #1942 (permalink)
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More the power of (lack of) education, that's why no ruling party / class / whatever you call it has an interest in improving education levels (too much).
May I just say, "Simply wow."




"Sorry, guv'nor. I oughtn't to have left me da's farm 'n gotten meself one of them thare edjamacation things. I didn't know I was upsettin' the rulin' class."
 
Old 28th August 2008, 18:23   #1943 (permalink)
 
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There appears to be a deliberate hiding of his upbringing. Why? You are absolutely correct that the man is being evaluated, not the mother.
I humbly and respectfully call bullsh!t on that comment. There have been at least two major articles in Time and Newsweek on his mother. You also seem to be insinuating there is some sort of cover up at best and deliberate lies at worst.

I have sent a link of the Snopes article to this site:
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just to see if it will get any reaction.
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Old 28th August 2008, 18:45   #1944 (permalink)
 
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Benthere,

It would be fair to say the GOP candidates were also likely to be far more right-wing than they let on. But to focus on their red-neck parents would hardly have been cricket, just as highlighting the fact that Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian, to undermine his family values, would have been a low blow.

I still don't see why his mothers political persuasion can detract from her, or his, all-Americaness. If so, there is something to be said for the fact that even here in the UK, Englishness transcends class or politics.
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Old 28th August 2008, 18:47   #1945 (permalink)
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G-AWK, call it all you want. Just throw it in the right direction.

I've not said Obama is/is not anything.

I do ask, if there is anything to his background that differs from the public presentation so far, why?

If it's true, but not deliberately being hidden, fair enough.

If it's true, but is being hidden, then it is by definition, a cover-up.

Hence, my note about the cover up being what get's one in trouble, not the lie, etc.

If he came clean about his past, then no worries. If he hasn't, then why not?

I will vote against Obama because of his liberal ideology and lack of substance on almost any issue.

I don't know that I'll vote for McCain.

Ol' Ralph might get a surprise vote.....

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SM, first some did try to use Cheney's daughter's sexual leanings in the past campaigns.

Second, however, as the Dems actively recruit the gay and lesbian vote, they shoot themselves in the foot to use it too openly, no pun intended.

Finally, English 'classlessness?'

I did not think you had a sense of humo(u)r. Well done!
 
Old 28th August 2008, 18:54   #1946 (permalink)
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A light hearted diversion

For quite some while, I thought it was Hillary Goddam Clinton.
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Old 28th August 2008, 19:06   #1947 (permalink)
 
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@brick: a U.S. Governor is only executing organ for the ruling class and in fact doesn't have to be very well educated, too (GWB just as an example ^^)
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Old 28th August 2008, 19:12   #1948 (permalink)
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Old 28th August 2008, 19:12   #1949 (permalink)
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hawk, hmmm, GWB is a 'Yale' man, meaning he graduated from one of the most prestigious American universities, possibly globally as well.

If they don't produce an 'educated' person, then who can?

Who are the educated classes if not their graduates?

Me confused, not smart, need guiding....
 
Old 28th August 2008, 19:27   #1950 (permalink)
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Well if you want to talk about smearing individuals and dirty tactics, it would seem the Obama campaign are not exactly sunday school students...

Barack Obama, Aspiring Commissar
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Old 28th August 2008, 21:11   #1951 (permalink)
 
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ORAC,

Posting yet another link to a National Review story about Obama is hardly likely to be impartial is it?

The National review is probably one of the most right-wing neo-con publications out there.
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Old 28th August 2008, 21:20   #1952 (permalink)
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So, what was it before 'neo-cons' were in place?
 
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Somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan.
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Old 28th August 2008, 21:28   #1954 (permalink)
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"Neocon" is simply a pejorative used in an attempt to end the discussion. There is no such party or formal association. A conservative American is often called such when other arguments fail. The term has more emotive appeal than 'conservative' but is otherwise without definition.
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Old 28th August 2008, 21:30   #1955 (permalink)

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The National review is probably one of the most right-wing neo-con publications out there.
Really, you got the poll results to support that assumption? Just because that is what you believe does not make it fact.

That the 'The National Review' is more pro conservative than liberal is true, that the 'The National Review' is more Republican Party than Democratic Party is true. However, hardly a "the most-right wing, neo-con publication".

I suppose that in your eyes the 'New York Times' is fair and balanced with no bias toward the Democratic Party what so ever. Just like the BBC.
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Old 28th August 2008, 21:59   #1956 (permalink)
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"Neocon" is simply a pejorative used in an attempt to end the discussion.
It should, perhaps, then be pointed out, that several "Neocons" have described themselves as such.

Are we to infer then, that these people are somewhat ambivalent about their philosophical position? Or did they just forget in which house they left their alter ego.
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Old 28th August 2008, 22:21   #1957 (permalink)

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It should, perhaps, then be pointed out, that several "Neocons" have described themselves as such.
However, not in my case, I have been labeled a "neo-con" numerous times whereas I firmly believe I am not. Conservative yes, but hardly a Neanderthal, knuckle dragging, ultra right-wing neo-con.


(Course, it could be the name I use here. )






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Old 28th August 2008, 22:33   #1958 (permalink)
 
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You're far too old to be a 'neo' anything. Anyway, would you drink 'neo' Scotch?

I thought not. I expect you're probably a barrel-strength con.
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Old 28th August 2008, 23:02   #1959 (permalink)
 
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@brick: on one hand, money can buy a lot, but I'm not in the position to judge if that was the case with Yale & GWB

whatever education he had though, much was obviously lost, looking at him and listening to him, may it be alcohol or drugs or just age...
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Old 28th August 2008, 23:03   #1960 (permalink)


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"Neocon" is simply a pejorative used in an attempt to end the discussion. There is no such party or formal association. A conservative American is often called such when other arguments fail. The term has more emotive appeal than 'conservative' but is otherwise without definition.

Utter tosh. Neoconservatism is a political philosophy. To say otherwise is somewhat naeive. To say the least.

However we could discuss the relevence of the low brow dumbass terms old and new Europe.

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I suppose that in your eyes the 'New York Times' is fair and balanced with no bias toward the Democratic Party what so ever.
Is that the same New York Times that spread the utter crap about WMDs and carried the story which named an active CIA agent, leaked by that paragon of American patriotism Scooter Libby?
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