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Old 21st July 2008, 18:41   #1681 (permalink)
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It's not nearly over, OB. The more people learn about the Big O, the more they see there's very little there beyond pulpit eloquence, and that's not enough.

I think it's going to be another cliffhanger, even though the Democrats should be taking it in a walk. The Democrats' problem is that they keep elevating presidential candidates with glaring weaknesses. Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, Kerry - all had fatal flaws. Clinton had a fatal flaw, being a groper and all, but we collectively gave him a pass.

Obama has yet to answer for his volutary associations with his racist and anti-American pastor, his convicted mobster benefactor, the Pentagon bomber, and any others we don't yet know about. That may be his fatal flaw, along with the idea that someone so soon removed from the level of street Chicago racial activism might be ready to take on the geopolitical challeges of the world today. I'd like to see his college transcripts. Has he ever taken a world history course? Does he know who the president of Pakistan is?

Guys like Nunn and Lieberman, who I could and would vote for, don't have a chance to overcome the hard left constituency of the party.
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Old 21st July 2008, 18:49   #1682 (permalink)

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You know there are times when reading some of the 'prove the negative' posts here that I almost wish that Obama wins, if for no other reason than to see some folks here eat their words.

Rather like the people here who claimed, in all certainty, that 'Bush will invade Iran by April',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, of last year. When we so called 'neo-cons' had the audacity to deny such statements we were ridiculed and vilified.

So in retrospect not much has changed, except the subject.
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Old 21st July 2008, 19:12   #1683 (permalink)
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ou know there are times when reading some of the 'prove the negative' posts here that I almost wish that Obama wins, if for no other reason than to see some folks here eat their words.
Omnium consensu capax imperii nisi imperasset. Tacitus
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Old 21st July 2008, 20:41   #1684 (permalink)
 
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Ben, I see Obama evolving as a candidate. He's drawing back from the radical leftists, because he realizes they will vote for him anyway, just like McCain no longer has to pander to the radical rightists.

I'm not bothered by what he's saying on this trip. He's out there talking to the folks he needs to, learning what's going on, and allowing his policy ideas to evolve as a result.

To me that's better than going in with set ideas about what you're gonna do with no room for flexibility.

I agree the media is behaving like lapdogs at an Anna Nicole Smith photoshoot. But why would we expect more?
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Old 21st July 2008, 20:46   #1685 (permalink)

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Took me a while, however, I understand.
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Old 21st July 2008, 21:26   #1686 (permalink)
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Ah G-AWZK, we hardly knew ya....


Apparently another difference between most conservatives and liberals is that the former will stand their ground.

Ah well, nothing to be done about it. Y'all come back now, y'hear?!

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ob, I, at first really didn't care about this election.

McCain draws my lukewarm support because of some of his policies on global warming, immigration, and the like with which I disagree with him.

Obama, I didn't know much about and was willing to learn. However, the more I research, the less there is to the man.
 
Old 21st July 2008, 21:56   #1687 (permalink)
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OK, maybe it's off topic, or maybe not, but do I miss here the discussion about Bush's surprising move to Iran, as well as willing to discuss an exit strategy from iRack? Or as they say it in White House terms: "General Time Horizon"? It's almost Obamanesque...

What will happen with McCain's favorite song "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" and staying in iRack for the next 100 years? Can we expect some flipflopping here, as they say in GOP circles?
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Old 22nd July 2008, 01:47   #1688 (permalink)
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The New York Times carried a rather large op-ed piece written by Barack Obama last week.

It is declining to carry a piece by John McCain.

I look forward to that paper's demise. And as it's paid circulation continues in a downward spiral, that shouldn't be too much longer.
 
Old 22nd July 2008, 04:45   #1689 (permalink)
 
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To boot, just watched CNN (yeah, I know) one of the talking heads defended the Times actions, as BO is much more interesting than McCain. Birds of a feather.

The Times has its collective nose so far up Obama's ass that if he turned a corner too fast one of the editors would break a neck.
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Old 22nd July 2008, 07:26   #1690 (permalink)
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Think you know who this man is?
This possible President of the United States?? Read Below and
ask yourselves, is this REALLY someone we can see as the
President of our great nation!!!!

Below are a few lines from Obama's books; In his words!


From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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Old 22nd July 2008, 08:30   #1691 (permalink)
 
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I'm not worried about him in the context of the above quotes. I'm worried about him with his left of center political and fiscal beliefs.
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Old 22nd July 2008, 08:54   #1692 (permalink)
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And FINALLY the Most Damming one of ALL of them!!!

From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
"When Hitler attacked the Jews I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the Catholics, I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned. And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists, I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned. Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church — and there was nobody left to be concerned." Pastor Martin Niemöller
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Old 23rd July 2008, 00:45   #1693 (permalink)
 
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McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

YouTube - McCain Thinks Iraq Borders Pakistan

Classic!
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Old 23rd July 2008, 02:51   #1694 (permalink)
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Nearly as bad as claiming one was shot at by snipers, had to run for cover, official welcome cancelled etc. etc. etc.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 03:33   #1695 (permalink)
 
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Since the subject of the discussion was Afghanistan (which was repeated several times prior to that gaffe), which DOES share a substantial border with Pakistan, I'm inclined to give him a pass... just as I'll give Obama a pass on visiting 57 or 58 of the states in the US (or whatever it was he said).
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Old 23rd July 2008, 04:09   #1696 (permalink)
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At least Americans are not compelled by law to attend a polling booth
Unlike here that at least provides an opportunity for the weak and feeble minded to stay home
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Old 23rd July 2008, 04:13   #1697 (permalink)
 
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If Obama gets in, I believe he'll be Jimmy Carter Mark 2 (I've made that observtion here before, quite some moths ago). Just like with Carter, many people may vote for him purely "for change" not knowing what stings in the tail that change may contain.

Quite a few voters (a small majority) did exactly that in Australia only six months ago - many of them more voting "out" the old goverment than voting in the new, and I think it would be true to say that quite a few of them are regretting that decision already.

My prediction is that if Obama gets in, history will repeat itself and American voters will regret the change as much as many Australian voters are only six months down the track. Unfortunately, when America sneezes, we all catch a cold, so I sincerley hope that if I'm right, we non Americans don't have cause to regret the decision of the American electorate.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 15:13   #1698 (permalink)
 
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wiley - "Quite a few voters (a small majority) did exactly that in Australia only six months ago - many of them more voting "out" the old goverment than voting in the new, and I think it would be true to say that quite a few of them are regretting that decision already"

Actually the latest polls still have him above the election figures, but well down on the high he achieved after the election. Probably has more to do with the value of the 'deadbeat' opposition at the moment than any great deeds from the govt.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 15:45   #1699 (permalink)
 
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If Obama gets in, I believe he'll be Jimmy Carter Mark 2 (I've made that observtion here before, quite some moths ago). Just like with Carter, many people may vote for him purely "for change" not knowing what stings in the tail that change may contain.
Agreed.

I think Obama will be a disaster if he gets in. Unfortunately, I think he's likely to win.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 15:58   #1700 (permalink)
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If past is prologue, 1994 to be precise, it'll take only two years for Reid and Pelosi to do enough damage to get the public's boot.

I always liked the Ten Years After line, "Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more. Tell me where is sanity."

Every eight to twelve years it seems the voters need to be re-educated that the feel-good left has the wrong answers to our challenges. The hope I always have when the time comes is that the world is not so dangerous that we can afford the new lesson. I'm never sure going in, but the feeling is almost euphoric coming out. I can look forward to that.
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