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Old 11th July 2008, 22:25   #1621 (permalink)
 
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Yes, I believe that you will find there was a U.S. Air Force U-2 shot down while looking at the Russian missile sites on Cuba, when the pilot lost his life. Perhaps that helped escalate the crisis.

I think it is usually so that whether a candidate is liked or disliked by our military has very little bearing on his general popularity with the voting public. Just look at how easily George W. Bush, draft-dodger, knocked John McCain, war hero, out of the Republican primary race back when, for instance. Or was McCain less popular with the military?
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Old 13th July 2008, 11:11   #1622 (permalink)
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Old 13th July 2008, 18:25   #1623 (permalink)
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ORAC, your cartoon has too many elements of truth!


It's interesting to note how the 'perpetual campaign' seems to be a relatively modern concept and arrived shortly after, in my mind anyway, with the 24/7 cable news channels and the internet.

Technology is very definitely a two-edged sword.

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Old 15th July 2008, 22:25   #1624 (permalink)

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Well, I am really speechless on this.






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July 14, 2008, 11:55 am
New Yorker Cover: Clever Satire or ‘Tasteless and Offensive’?


Susan Davis reports on the presidential race.
The July 21 cover of the New Yorker magazine cover depicts a turban-wearing Barack Obama fist-bumping his machine gun toting wife Michelle, who’s sporting an Angela Davis-style afro, as they stand in the Oval Office, with a portrait of Osama bin Laden above the fireplace with an American flag burning inside.


The July 21 cover of The New Yorker.

Get it?

The satirical cover harpooning the stereotypes and more insidious accusations against the expected Democratic nominee hasn’t prompted any laughs from the Obama campaign, which a spokesman called “tasteless and offensive,” an opinion seconded by John McCain’s campaign.

(Lost in the discussion is the actual story, “Making it: How Chicago Shaped Obama” which can be read HERE.)

“Obviously I wouldn’t have run a cover just to get attention — I ran the cover because I thought it had something to say. What I think it does is hold up a mirror to the prejudice and dark imaginings about Barack Obama’s — both Obamas’ — past, and their politics,” New Yorker editor David Remnick told the Huffington Post today, “I can’t speak for anyone else’s interpretations, all I can say is that it combines a number of images that have been propagated, not by everyone on the right but by some, about Obama’s supposed ‘lack of patriotism’ or his being ‘soft on terrorism’ or the idiotic notion that somehow Michelle Obama is the second coming of the Weathermen or most violent Black Panthers. That somehow all this is going to come to the Oval Office.”

Remnick continued: “The idea that we would publish a cover saying these things literally, I think, is just not in the vocabulary of what we do and who we are… We’ve run many many satirical political covers. Ask the Bush administration how many.”

The high-brow publication has long been a favorite of sophisticates who presumably would get the joke. Not so much. “I hope the New Yorker sees a drop in subscriptions from this stunt,” wrote a poster on MyDD.com, the liberal blog which opined the view of many on the left that the cover will only serve to spread, not debunk, the Obama rumors.

“So, apparently, it’s ‘satire.’ Trouble is, we can count on the media not to play it that way. They will probably raise a big fuss over it, and the net effect will simply be a further spreading of the rumors the cover is pretending to debunk,’” the site wrote, “Apparently, the satirists at the New Yorker weren’t prescient enough to see that it would play out that way, or didn’t care.”
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Old 15th July 2008, 22:35   #1625 (permalink)
 
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Very poor taste, indeed.
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Old 15th July 2008, 22:44   #1626 (permalink)

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I agree CofF, what I am shocked about is that it is the "New Yorker" magazine. That publication is one of the most liberal and pro-Democratic Party in the U.S.

They may have missed whatever 'satire' they were trying to achieve.



(But then again I have a lot of trouble getting some of their jokes.)
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I have to grin a little when I think of all the excrement that would have hit the fan had that cover appeared on, say, the National Review or Commentary magazine.
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Old 15th July 2008, 22:51   #1628 (permalink)

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Agreed pigboat.

Here is the link to the article referred to in the WSL story.

The Political Scene: Making It: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

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Old 15th July 2008, 23:20   #1629 (permalink)
 
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Just think about the amount of departmental/editorial approval that had to be received in order to be on the cover.

Must've been HUGE Billary supporters!
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Satire...

I am a long-term reader of "The New Yorker," since about 45 years.

One problem with it is that its gaze often seems to be out across the Atlantic.

Another problem, although this seems now to have moderated, was that they were very pro-gay. I don't mean just tolerating the life-style but actively promoting it, as if to say that gays were the only ones really in touch with what was happening, as if married heteros just didn't get it, couldn't get it. I would read these articles about cutting-edge figures who all seemed to be flaming perverts and wonder where I had gone wrong chasing girls.

Here I think they sort of figured that the squares out in fly-over country would miss the point completely, just take it for a straight indictment of the Obamas as everything narrow-minded bigots think they really are. What sort of damage that might do might be of no concern to the staff of this magazine.

I suppose they should have stopped to think a bit more deeply about this but New Yorkers can be famously self-centred.

In any case, we do have this First Amendment which promises freedom of speech...
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Old 16th July 2008, 00:03   #1631 (permalink)

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I've Had Enough Of This!

My dear friends.

I have come to this decision after long discussions with my family and a very close group of friends and acquaintances, not to mention the 9 year old kid next door. I have come to the conclusion that unless people like you and myself, not to mention the 9 year old kid next door, take charge of this election all will be lost.

Therefore, for the first time in history a Presidential Candidate for the United States of America is announcing his, mine, candidacy for President of the United States.

I have chosen PPRuNe to be the very first site on the whole, entire, big thing, all encompassing, all bracing, world wide Internet to declare my candidacy for the office of the President of the United States.

Here is the first of my campaign adds.

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Remember my friends, vote early and vote often.


(ps. Not to worry if not a US citizen, I'll get that fixed as soon as I'm elected.)
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OMG!!!!! Con, that's absolutely fantastic. LMAO

You have my vote. I'd like to campaign here in the PNW for you!
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Old 16th July 2008, 01:21   #1633 (permalink)
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Well done and congratulations!

However, as always, the devil is in the (policy) details.

What does

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(ps. Not to worry if not a US citizen, I'll get that fixed as soon as I'm elected.)
mean?


If you mean the assimiliation of the rest of the world into a global America, I'm your man.

If you mean to give the limp-wristed, New Yorker magazine 'getting it,' guns are evil not the trigger puller, the world is heating up and it's all the US' fault, 'late to the war (except not against the terrorists apparently, then we're too warlike) crowd a genuine say in my country, then sorry, I'm voting Cynthia McKinney the Green Party (not kidding!) candidate.

Besides, you're just another old white guy. We all know that's inherently evil today.

I want change! I don't know what the change'll be or how it'll be implemented, I just know I want it.



Can I be either SECDEF or SECSTATE? Or better yet, combine the two offices?
 
Old 16th July 2008, 01:44   #1634 (permalink)

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If you mean the assimiliation of the rest of the world into a global America, I'm your man.
Just the bits that you and I want, the rest I'll leave up to you to handle as Sectary of State and Sectary of Defense. Course I think that Mr. Draper would serve well as Sectary of Defense; perhaps as your assistant? We would have to give him his own weapons, I think he'd like his own tank.

(PS. We'll split the glass concession that we will make out of all that sand. Retirement fund you know )
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I think Mr. Draper would make a great SECDEF, I withdraw my request.

I'd also ask that he be Attorney General and/or Secretary of Education.

Given your policy positions, I'm in!
 
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Fine Con...I want my own cabinet post too.
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For Mayor of Florence, CO, perhaps? You know all the "voters"; they don't like you, but they know you.

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You have my vote con-Pilot!

Please PM me on when would be a good time to share some whisky and make sure we disagree on the right stuff.

After my arranging generous donations and promises of full support from top drawer Americans with distinguished backgrounds, perhaps there would be time to discuss a few ambassadorships in Thailand, Hong Kong,Japan, the Philippines or Australia for Mrs and I.


Yes, she's the diplomat in the family.
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You want my vote?

And all my East Coast liberal friends' votes too? Show us your sandals and your boyfriend and then we shall have a think about this and get back to you.

Meanwhile, I want change, yes. Got any spare change?
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Old 16th July 2008, 14:13   #1640 (permalink)
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I fear you might fall at the first hurdle con.

Are you sufficiently corrupt?
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