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Old 5th February 2008, 07:22   #961 (permalink)
 
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Maybe there IS HOPE!

From today's Sydney Morning Herald

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JOHN McCAIN is most likely to sew up the Republican presidential nomination when 21 states vote in the Republican primaries but, despite the popular support, he is struggling to win the backing of his party's conservative wing.

Last week, the right-wing radio presenter Rush Limbaugh said Senator McCain's nomination would "destroy" the Republican Party.
"It's going to change it forever, be the end of it. A lot of people aren't going to vote. You watch," he warned his listeners.

The right-wing commentator Ann Coulter has said she would back the Democrat Hillary Clinton if Senator McCain got the Republican nomination, and even his own mother, the 95-year old oil heiress Roberta McCain, has acknowledged that her son lacks support from the party's conservative base.
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The problem for many conservatives is that Senator McCain is a maverick who is not afraid to vote against Republican Party positions.

His biggest crime, fiscal conservatives say, is that he voted against President George Bush's tax cuts, saying they were unfunded and would blow out the deficit.
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For Christian leaders, Senator McCain's refusal to vote for legislation outlawing same-sex marriage has drawn ire, as have his political funding reforms (known as the McCain-Feingold law) because they stopped interest groups from being able to run TV ads hitting other candidates on issues such as abortion.
Limbaugh and Coulter don't like him!

Could it be that there will be no neo-con, christian-right, Carlyle-group-sycophant, loony in the white house next election?? Someone that is NOT a deserter?? Someone with the IQ above that of a tree frog??

Could it be?
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Old 5th February 2008, 08:17   #962 (permalink)
 
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I think it's safe to say, Coastal, that you'll still be making such ridiculous postings come next January. And the January after that.
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Old 5th February 2008, 10:25   #963 (permalink)
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Coulter doesn't like McCain? Couldn't think of a more convincing reason to vote for him as a Republican... She's mad as a box of frogs.
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Old 5th February 2008, 10:51   #964 (permalink)
 
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I don't want to rain on your parade of V8 pickup trucks with gun racks but I read it here...
http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-electi...090322210.html

The thought of a 'great' republican president (eg Ike) is exciting as far as I'm concerned and if Limbaugh and Coulter don't like him thats serious kudos IMHO.

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you'll still be making such ridiculous postings come next January. And the January after that.
Is this circus happening annually now? I thought 30months of governence (or lack of) and 18 months of election hoopla was bad enough. The good thing is you tend to not invade anyone in the 18months. So what will it be, 9 months of 'governence' and 3 months of hoopla/peace?
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It is an annual thing... Sigh...

Every year we get The State of the Union speech, when the Prez gets to give us his version of reality. It is a good excuse to exult or else to go puce-faced with incoherent rage over this dangerous lunatic out to blow up the world or else this dangerous lunatic making homosexual unions compulsory or else... Sorry, I dozed off for a micro-sleep there; did I miss anything? It is rather boring and predictable, about like many of the comments here about our Presidential race.

If you would all just keep your seatbelts fastened until Super-Duper Tuesday has come to a complete stop with the chocks in and the engines shut down then you might be able to either exult or moan to more purpose about "democracy in action."

Like childbirth and sausage-making it is an ugly process to watch but arguably necessary.
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Old 5th February 2008, 17:46   #966 (permalink)

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Early poll "hints" from the know all media have McCain and Obama ahead. However, they have just started voting on the West Coast.

For those who are paying attention it will be a long night.

Just to let you know Mrs. C-P and I both voted for McCain. (At least she said she did. )

The weather here may affect the voter turnout, rain all day changing to snow. It was clear and 80f/25c yesterday.

Yeah we got wet running from the rain going into the polling station. Not a lot of people there.
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Old 5th February 2008, 18:15   #967 (permalink)
 
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Coastal:

It's this part of your comment that we hear over and over:

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Could it be that there will be no neo-con, christian-right, Carlyle-group-sycophant, loony in the white house next election?? Someone that is NOT a deserter?? Someone with the IQ above that of a tree frog??
And I'm saying that folks like you will continue to post the same sort of rubbish about whoever is the president, all the time. Repub or Demo, Lib or Conserv, I expect no change in the spewing.

What does a pickup with a gun rack have to do with anything?
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Old 5th February 2008, 18:29   #968 (permalink)
 
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Yeah, and besides...

What does all this have to do with "next" election when we are discussing "this" election?

Tree frogs graduate from Harvard? I know Bush is not the sharpest knife in the drawer but "tree frog" dumb?

Why pick on tree frogs, anyway? I mean, they manage to do their arboreal thing pretty well. You think you could manage to hang upside-down catching bugs with your tongue with rain dripping down your neck to run up your nose? No, Mister Smarty-pants, I didn't think so!

Now, George W. Bush, as a loyal American I shouldn't even be telling you this, but yes, there was an episode in the Rose Garden when the S.S. had to talk him down from trying that after watching "Natural Kingdom." But he ran in the last election, not the next election or even this election so never mind that now!
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Yes, JFK started the race to the moon. He also got us deep into the Vietnam war, let the Bay of Pigs invasion go forward (but didn't allow the air support, so it was even more doomed to failure than it would have been otherwise), and had some interesting connections with the Mob. Furthermore, there have been some compelling accounts that he won IL due to voting fraud in Chicago.

JFK was no saint. Let's remember him warts and all.
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Old 5th February 2008, 18:57   #970 (permalink)
 
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Now - hands up those Americans who believed you would go into Iraq and the forces would stay there forever??
After we won WWII, when did all our troops come home? They didn't. We still have bases in Japan in Europe.

I assumed that we'd set up large bases in Iraq and be there indefinitely, in part just to piss off the Syrians and Iranians.
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Old 5th February 2008, 20:25   #971 (permalink)

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I assumed that we'd set up large bases in Iraq and be there indefinitely, in part just to piss off the Syrians and Iranians.
And the French, one should never pass up an opportunity to annoy the French.

(Right Mr. D? )
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The point was not JFK more that a clear aim and intent was stated, a timeframe, and the aim was met.

It must be dispiriting for the forces to be in a war which has (at best) an unclear purpose and be hearing that a leading contender is advocating continuing until the unclear purpose is achieved (how exactly that would work I have no idea.)

The financial, human and morale costs in such an openended approach - I just can't see it being the right way to go.

Must admit -IF McCain is the contender and IF he maintains his stance I'll be fascinated to see whether the American people share his vision or repudiate it.
Interesting times.
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Interesting bit of propaganda - JFK, MLK, and RP
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Old 6th February 2008, 04:14   #974 (permalink)
 
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Right now the Times is calling it as follows:

Obama has Delaware, Georgia and Illinois (he had better win here)
with a fair lead in Alabama, Connecticut.

Clinton Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Tennessee and New York (same as above)
with a good lead in Missouri and New Jersey.

McCain has Connecticut, Delaware, New Jersey and New York
with leads in Illinois and Oklahoma

Hiuckabee is looking good in Alabama, Missouri, Georgia and Tennessee

Mitt has his former home state of Massachusetts only so far.



Clinton will most likely take California as will McCain and that will be all she wrote for Super Tuesday.

I will make a prediction that in November we will be seeing a
McCain/Huckabee ticket against Clinton/Obama.

I have my sound reasons why, should anyone be interested and am willing to take bets on my choices for the November tickets.



Despite my liberal leanings on many social issues, I like John McCain and hope he wins. He's progressive enough on the important issues to my family and (big one here) won't pull out of Iraq prematurely.

Mr. McCain is also a rare animal in Washington - an honest man.

The widow of a former CAG on the big E flew with John and I have gotten to know him through her. Our friend has some great stories to tell from the sixties in California when her husband served with him. According to Sue, John has always been someone you can count on when you need him.
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Despite my liberal leanings on many social issues, I like John McCain and hope he wins. He's progressive enough on the important issues to my family and (big one here) won't pull out of Iraq prematurely.

Mr. McCain is also a rare animal in Washington - an honest man.

The widow of a former CAG on the big E flew with John and I have gotten to know him through her. Our friend has some great stories to tell from the sixties in California when her husband served with him. According to Sue, John has always been someone you can count on when you need him.
Sounds good! I have an urge to visit NYC, Chicago and revisit Boston/New England and inject some TC cash into those local economies. It looks like Common sense may prevail and maybe Mr McCain can make the US 'great' once again. Here's hoping.

Assuming he meets with success, when it comes to post election appointments, a complete absence of names listed with this illustrious group would go along way to show that he is the real deal and America is back..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century

The exploits of Captain John McCain USN under "Vietnam Operations" and "Prisoner of War" make a hell of good tale here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mc...nam_operations

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Old 6th February 2008, 09:40   #976 (permalink)
 
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Thumbs up McCain for President

That list of signers and associates on the NWO group of 'good' fellas are not all bad. Are they?



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The exploits of Captain John McCain USN under "Vietnam Operations" and "Prisoner of War" make a hell of good tale here...
Yessir TC, I read several paragraphs of your link just for good measure and know about that part of McCain's life from past articles. That was Valor.
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Old 6th February 2008, 09:53   #977 (permalink)
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The Independent: Mark Steel: Change. Hope. America. Vote for Bob the Builder...

Barack Obama, apparently, has been the symbol of hope. But that could be quite distressing, because his entire campaign has revolved around the slogan "Yes we can." I'm all for keeping political ideas simple, but he's reduced them to Bob the bloody Builder. Maybe he's planning to steal other catchphrases from children's TV characters, so his next campaign adverts will go "Barack Obama – flobalob lob obalob weed."

In truth Obama is even more vacuous than Bob, because he doesn't even say what it is we can, whereas Bob is unequivocal that it's the issue of whether we can fix it. But they're all as ridiculous. A typical John McCain speech went, "I promise I will always put America first – her ideals and her future, before any other consideration." Then his fans all cheered. Because that should trump the candidates who disagree, saying, "Well I won't. I'll put the interests of Austria first. I'm sick of America."

Obama now has a video, in which a variety of celebrities sing the words "vote, change and hope" It would be worth trying to confuse one of his canvassers by saying, "Oh no, I'd rather support someone who's against hope. It only brings trouble, hope does." But perhaps he'll get more ambitious and make whole speeches full of random words, telling the people of Montana, "Brothers and sisters, buttercup Barcelona laminated frog radish but not and never hedgehog."

And then they wave and shriek under all those balloons, as if no political idea is valid in America unless it involves balloons. American anarchist rallies must end under piles of black balloons, and at the end of American surrealist meetings they must drop hundreds of burst balloons............
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Old 6th February 2008, 10:04   #978 (permalink)

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Sorry about this but another question about the election. While watching the news about the elections last night MadsMum said she had heard somewhere, on tele or radio, that in the States if you get a phone call from one of the campaigns you must, by law, respond to the call - you can't just put the phone down without answering. Surely that can't be true? (definitely sounds like a load of cobblers).

(I think this is supposed to apply to all elections, not just the primaries)
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That's good stuff ORAC!

Lead. (those balloons) - you know, just to avoid any initial confusion.


As to the commentary having an effect on these shores.....it's just not that easy over here. Too much distraction maybe?
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I have an urge to visit NYC, Chicago and revisit Boston/New England and inject some TC cash into those local economies.
I should also include Virginia (I'm ex mil and a history buff) and Maryland (sailing the Chesapeake would be fantastic - If I remember 'red right returning' as opposed to 'port wine is red' outside N&S America).

I can't help but feel that a guy that can fly an A4 off a moving deck (who also jumped off his A4 via the nose cone on after a stray rocket hit it whilst on the ramp only 60s before it blow up), who flew missions whilst coming under enemy fire, whom has been imprisoned and tortured (after rejecting release on ethics), returned a cripple, got his his legs moving and, as EXO then CO, took VA174 from mediocrity to serious strike unit has some serious leadership credibility.

I also think that anyone that has suffered such hardship would not send his fellow Americans into harms way on a whim, and he would not condone torture as a means to an end.

Maybe all us pundits that thought the end is nigh for the USA (economic subservience to China, a shooting war with ANOTHER nation such as Iran) were just plain wrong - democracy in action!

Onya America!


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