Every seen a Danish, Swedish, Norwegian or New Zealand hospital ward Dushan?
Ahh, nevermind....stereotypes are so much more fun, eh?
First of all, personal attacks = no, no.
Second, yes as a matter of fact I have seen one of those - Danish to be exact. Nice enough, but didn't see any rich person coming in to seek health care as they do in a May Clinic in Rochester MN. Maybe it was on a day when all rich people of the world were healthy.
Hmmm, well that seems to be quite different from your claim on the previous page, where any socialist run hospitals are essentially run-down failures.
Out of interest, how many poor people do you see at a "May Clinic in Rochester MN"?
Or is the quality of a health system to be measured by the quantity of well-off who use its services, rather than the service it provides to all? Perhaps in the world according to Anne Coulter, maybe.
You probably failed to understand that Danes very much dislikes flaunting wealth. You might have been sitting next to an exceedingly rich bloke in that hospital, but he's not going to rub it in your face, and he's certainly not going to flash his cash.
In any case, if the Danish NHS is good enough for their royal family and one of the richest men in Europe, I suppose it should be good enough for most.
Denmark is, however, not socialist and hasn't been run by a true socialist government since the mid 80's. Yet, it's still embracing the "scandinavian welfare model", which in recent years has become the standard which many nations are striving to emulate.
Out of interest, how many poor people do you see at a "May Clinic in Rochester MN"?
I'll get this one Dushan.
Not only have I seen a lot of 'poor people' at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota, I have taken a few hundred there. (Okay, now that I think about, perhaps a few thousand.)
Try expressing your prejudice again after you check your facts.
Thank you.
Also, what the hell does this have to do with the US Presidential elections? I realize that there are currently three "Yank Bashing" threads ongoing, but please try to figure out the proper thread to bash us on, thank you again.
Flip Flop,
I said I was in a Danish hospital, I didn't say I was in Danemark.
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Or is the quality of a health system to be measured by the quantity of well-off who use its services, rather than the service it provides to all? Perhaps in the world according to Anne Coulter, maybe.
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The quality of anything is measured by the quantity of well-off who use it, regardless of whether it is a service or a commodity. Yes, a world, according to Anne Coulter, or Ayn Rand would be a better place.
Hmmm, well that seems to be quite different from your claim on the previous page, where any socialist run hospitals are essentially run-down failures.
Anything "socialist run" is, or will be, a dismal failure. By very definition, socialism's intent is to provide equal service to all. When something is equal, at a grand scale, it has to be extremely low quality. Just common sense.
When you confiscate from the rich, to give to the poor, the rich will no longer be able to afford what they used to, and the poor will not have what the rich used to have. All are equal, but poor. Elena, over to you...
I'm wondering if it takes those who can't afford health insurance? I can assure you, no-one will ever be turned away from a Scandinavian hospital or be left with a bill more than their salary. That in my books is an indicator of quality. Reserving your MRI machine or certain medicines for only those who can afford their ticket is not.
This isn't American bashing or prejudice, but a response to one of Dushan's many ludicrous rants about socialism. Have a read back a page or two and you'll get the idea.
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The quality of anything is measured by the quantity of well-off who use it
Well, not entirely. Price doesn't necessarily reflect quality and only the rich can afford the expensive. The quantity of people using something would more reliably indicate need not quality. Do a lot of rich people in a nose-job clinic really indicate that high quality nose-jobs are offered, or simply that nose-jobs are more the preserve of the rich? The priory doesn't necessarily offer better drug counselling than an NHS rehab clinic, but judging by the number of rich who go there according to you it must.
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Anything "socialist run" is, or will be, a dismal failure. By very definition, socialism's intent is to provide equal service to all. When something is equal, at a grand scale, it has to be extremely low quality. Just common sense.
Utter tosh in every respect.
The success or failure of a health system is irrespective of socialism or capitalism, socialism's intent is to provide service to all, not necessarily equal service (simply impossible), and lastly, why would something that is equal be extremely low quality? If something is unequal surely you will simply have some aspects of it that are of higher than "extremely low" quality while other aspects will be lower than "extremely low" quality. Given the worlds income distribution, that simply means the vast majority get below "extremely low" quality service, while the select few are fortunate to get above "extremely low".
As for confiscating from the rich, social democratic governments are hardly "confiscating" anything, and at most are fixing distortions - since when did the poor "have what the rich used to have" anyway?
Anything "socialist run" is, or will be, a dismal failure. By very definition, socialism's intent is to provide equal service to all. When something is equal, at a grand scale, it has to be extremely low quality. Just common sense.
When you confiscate from the rich, to give to the poor, the rich will no longer be able to afford what they used to, and the poor will not have what the rich used to have. All are equal, but poor. Elena, over to you...
Absolutely right, Norway is a dismal failure, but hey.............what does that make the USoA? A catastrophe?
I'll inform all our $-Billionaries (with the present USD to NOK x-rate most of us are anyway) that they are in deep merde and that they should abandon ship forthright. Thanks for enlightening us, Dushan.
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Indeed - adherence to Janteloven would be punishable by death in Dushan's world.
Even more intriguing given that Denmark is about the most right-wing it has been in recent history, yet still maintains socialist-style welfare (albiet, less than previously).
As con said, this is American Presidential Election. So no more about virtues of socialism (Chavez thread), or bashing (under its many names - Elena?).
I hope that the 22nd amendment is repealed and GWB serves a 3rd term. That will learn 'ya all pinkos!
"Finding the pre-1999 newsletters was no easy task, but I was able to track many of them down at the libraries" ------------------------ And who paid him for such painstaking exercise?
It's like watching political version of Jerry Springer Show... ORAC, don't you think Americans are a bit too preoccupied with "dirty laundry" instead of concentrating on programs that each candidate brings to the table?
instead of concentrating on programs that each candidate brings to the table?
Lookie. lookie who's defending Dr. Paul. I am amazed. He wants to let everyone print/mint their own money. Talk about decentralization. The people at main kolektive, back home, will not be amused, Elena. They'll pull your internet privileges and make you a reservation at a sushi place....
Dushan, de-e-ep breathing... All is well. There are no "Commies" under your bed and no sushi (just old slippers).
I'm not defending Dr. Paul. I'm puzzled. Why do you need to know who said what in 1996? I'm sure all candidates said or done something they would rather public didn't know. Where are your priorities, with the past or with the future?
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