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Old 4th November 2008, 20:32   #4621 (permalink)
 
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that this is YOUR election
Is that not factually correct? I can say for myself that if I felt so strongly against furrin posters I doubt I would have engaged any of you in discourse.
I suspect all of us regulars on both sides simply like to argue, vote or no vote.

Like Brick, I'd also would like you to name the offending US posters.
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Old 4th November 2008, 20:40   #4622 (permalink)
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Errr, factually incorrect, they don't.
They do. They are appointed by the governor and can be fired by the governor. Ultimately the governor is the boss.
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You also now state that Palin re-appointed one of them, but the longest serving, Debra English, isn't due for re-appointed till 1/8/2010; and the last one elected, Alfred Tamagni, was appointed 10 months before Palin took office.
Debra English was reappointed by Palin in January 2008. Please check the facts.

Embarassing? Now tell me why didn't Palin and her hubby cooperate with the bipartisan legislative panel? And why did the Attorney General Colberg (appointed by Palin, did you read the above link in my message? I guess not) declared that Palin administration workers would not testify? And why did Palin said that she had no time to testify, yet had all the time to testify for her employees.

Do you have any reasons for that? Cooperating would at least avoid the appearance of partisanship.

Palin target of new Ethics Complaint.

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The other interpreatation, of course, is that the whole thing is a tissue of lies spread as part of a smear campaign - which you fell for hook line and sinker - and are desperately trying to defend.
So you consider the findings of a bipartisan legislative panel a smear campaign? And of course smear campaigns is something Palin and McCain would avoid at any time.
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Old 4th November 2008, 20:58   #4623 (permalink)
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We'll see what history thinks of the Bush presidency. Keep in mind, time and subsequent events have a way of changing perspective.
OK, let's start with the accomplishments Bush achieved during his presidency.

I start:
Presidental Term and Jobs created per month:
Truman 1: 60,000
Truman 2: 113,000
Eisenhower 1: 58,000
Eisenhower 2: 15,000
Kennedy: 122,000
Johnson: 206,000
Nixon 1: 129,000
Nixon/Ford: 105,000
Carter: 218,000
Reagan 1: 109,000
Reagan 2: 224,000
G. Bush: 52,000
Clinton 1: 242,000
Clinton 2: 235,000
G.W. Bush 1: 69,000 jobs DESTROYED per month


Average Monthly Job Creation Since Truman:
Democrat Presidents: 171,000 jobs created per month
Republican Presidents: 78,000 jobs created per month
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Old 4th November 2008, 21:01   #4624 (permalink)
 
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Interesting. Care to link to the source data?
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Old 4th November 2008, 21:15   #4625 (permalink)
 
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Look Westie, I know the poor old stooge is up against the wall and I do have an element of sympathy for him, but the shit that the republicans and screwed up old Bush have smeared around the planet over the last years is trully unforgiveable.


I know that you must be pissed that the opinion of the free world is that a change is long overdue.

Accept it with grace. Stop clutching at straws. You read the threads as much as I do (maybe more). You are aware of the sentiments from the more right wing of your cohorts. Just accept change.

We in a more liberal and free thinking Europe are simply gagging for it.

How are things going with the numbers game. What are the pundits saying at this moment.
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Old 4th November 2008, 21:17   #4626 (permalink)
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Interesting. Care to link to the source data?
Here and here.

I miss your contribution to the accomplishments by Junior?
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Old 4th November 2008, 21:25   #4627 (permalink)
 
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Well, this is your present and future under the Obama United Socialist state of America

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Accept it with grace. Stop clutching at straws
Trying to figure out what you're talking about. All I've asked for is the names of US posters you cryptically mentioned.

As far as accepting it, I'm already looking to the 2010 elections with regard to scoring gains in the HOR. The dynamics of the 08 elections show me the electorate is tired of Bush, not of the Republican party.
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Old 4th November 2008, 21:29   #4629 (permalink)
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I know that you must be pissed that the opinion of the free world is that a change is long overdue.
I'll let West Coast answer for himself, but inserting myself into this one, you ascribe too much value hence emotion to the world's opinion.

I simply don't care.

Do you really care what the world thinks of your country?
Enough to do things that are not in your country's or your best interests?

Seriously?
 
Old 4th November 2008, 21:32   #4630 (permalink)

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Ah, Obama's new 'National Civilian Security Force".

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Old 4th November 2008, 21:45   #4631 (permalink)
 
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Your Slate article is from 2003 (two years into the Bush term), whereas the other presidents are ranked based on full terms or two terms. Oh, the link to the original data apparently from the Oregon AFL-CIO is a dead link.

But even then the NY Times wrote an article questioning the validity of the statistical methods in that widely-circulated table. It had it's 15 minutes of fame already, and was found wanting.

Political Memo; Democrats Use Job Chart To Try to Skewer Bush - New York Times

I'll save the Bush legacy discussion till later. The British public's decision to oust Churchill in 1945 looks odd to many historians in retrospect.
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Old 4th November 2008, 21:48   #4632 (permalink)
 
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Well you know me Brick just a lumbering old european leftie.


Funny really, just watching that lumbering old european leftie CNN Europe programme.

They are going through the front pages of many of the worlds newsapapers who all for some obscure reason are welcoming with optimism the rise to presidency of Obama.


For some reason they all seem to be mightily pissed off with the flavour and content of the old republican bush song which remains the same.


For some reason they all sound sick to their stomachs of the past dysfunctional years.



I shall bow however, to your superior knowledge
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Old 4th November 2008, 22:06   #4633 (permalink)
 
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Democracies are funny things. I remember many of us on this side of the pond loved Thatcher, but apparently she was not so admired in many parts of Wales and northern England.

Lots of folks outside of Russia loved Yeltsin, but spend a bit of time talking to Russians and they'll tell you he was a disaster.

People vote for what they perceive to be in their own (national) interest. Those on the outside are sometimes puzzled by the result.

What puzzles me is, why do Europeans (and some other PPRuNe posters) think they are so impotent vis-a-vis the United States.

I've said it before, just butch up a little, write a constitution that all your countries will ratify, spend a little more on defense and a little less on social welfare, fix some pressing issues on immigration, craft a common foreign policy, gather friends and allies behind you (that's what leaders do), make a few tough decisions that might cost you some popularity on the world stage, and voila you too will be at the rudder of a superpower.
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Old 4th November 2008, 22:08   #4634 (permalink)
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I shall bow however, to your superior knowledge
I'm not asking you to, but if you want to volunteer, I won't stop you.

What about the concept of "nations act in their own self-interests" is so hard to grasp?

It's how the world's been operating since at least the city-state days.

Before then, I'm sure the tribes operated very similarly.

Again, it's a pity you and your kind in Europe don't like the US and/or the current Administration. It's immaterial what administration you want for the next one. Either case leaves me very disinterested. I want my government to do what it thinks best for my country and for me. See the opening line of this post.

Great if you hope wins does so, but immaterial to me and my fellow citizens or my government.
 
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Funny really, just watching that lumbering old european leftie CNN Europe programme.

They are going through the front pages of many of the worlds newsapapers who all for some obscure reason are welcoming with optimism the rise to presidency of Obama.


For some reason they all seem to be mightily pissed off with the flavour and content of the old republican bush song which remains the same.


For some reason they all sound sick to their stomachs of the past dysfunctional years.

Er, and we should care because.................

Look, it doesn't matter who is elected President, the "worlds newsapapers" haven't liked the US since Ike was President. When I first joined here, when Clinton was President (now Europe's hero) and the anti-US'ism was worse that it is now.

(I joined in early 1999 under a different name.)

We don't elect Presidents to make you happy or to please you. So get over it.

It is hard to have a logic conversation with peolpe, who in one breath say we being too involved in other countries' affairs in one breath and then claim that we are too late being involved in the very next breath. They need to make up their mind.
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Old 4th November 2008, 22:38   #4636 (permalink)
 
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Just how big is the Obama family?
Everywhere you see that this half brother, this half sister, this half Aunt.
Sounds to me like he has so much illegitimate family that no wonder he loses track of them!!
Is this the man we want or family values needed to be the head of this country?
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Old 4th November 2008, 22:39   #4637 (permalink)
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They need to make up their mind.

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Capt KAOS' second reference on jobs growth includes the following paragraph:
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For a good comparison of how Bush's record of job destruction compares to previous presidencies since World War II, check out the following compilation by the International Association of Machinists, which looked at the average growth in monthly employment during the terms of the last fifteen presidential administrations.
Well sure, if the list is compiled by a big labor union, it MUST be fair and balanced, right?

Especially when one J. Carter is credited with 218,000 new jobs per month. Funny, but I distinctly recall Carter's record-setting "misery index", which recorded an unemployment rate of over 10%. How did THAT work out for you?
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One thing to point out about these Obama people.
Lawyers!!!
For the American ones on here, have you ever had a lawyer that represented you on anything, promised you the world, gave your trust and money.
In the end did you feel that you got what was promised and paid for?
Obama promises a lot, but wont deliver.
His change is all lies and B/S.
Voter fraud, threats and intimidation is already being reported in many areas.
Was really hoping it would not come to this.
Broken Machines, Shortages Plague Voters Around the Country - FOXNews.com Elections
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