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Old 4th November 2008, 17:11   #4601 (permalink)
 
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I should have said, all 3 work under Palin
Jeez Kaos, ORAC is picking you apart. Guess that happens when you're economical with the facts.


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My plea for bilateral input into government has always fallen on deaf ears
No, far from it. Don't want the Dems in charge of all three branches. The consolation prize? The Dems will own every cock up lock stock and barrell. The Dem controlled Congress has popularity numbers below that of Bush and I dont see that changing any time soon, well except down perhaps.

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Or do I say that only because I, like every other red blooded male around, think she is a spunk?
I keep hearing men say that, doesn't do much for me. Now throw a blond wig on her...


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Sarah Palin's name will reside in history with Dan Quayle
You'll be hearing her name for quite a few more years. Senator Palin in a few years would be my guess iffin not VP today.

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asking for those horrible left wing media types to crucify her.
At least you recognize it for what it is. Now avoid buying into it.
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Old 4th November 2008, 17:12   #4602 (permalink)
 
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Not entirely sure what "a spunk" is.In the UK it's slang for semen,so putting 2 and 2 together,and unless my resultant answer is 5,I have to agree that Ms.Palin is certainly one of those.

That is however very different from saying that she is a capable politician.So unless my head was being ruled by a quite different and distant part of my anatomy,which is always possible given a winking redhead,my cross or hanging chad or whatever would be unlikely to end up next to McCain.
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Old 4th November 2008, 17:34   #4603 (permalink)

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I'll be more specific, EM.

This is a copy of my post of two months ago. Nothing has changed.

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I know I'm not welcome here, and I know Blue Wolf begs off with not being a betting man and C-P claims to only bet the odd beer with a attached, but I see no reason to change my earlier assessment that Obama will win this election.

Sarah Palin will go down in history as the most delectable VP nominee ever. After the initial excitement, will that make a difference? No. Even the gun-totin' right after they have finished masturbating over her won't be enough to get her over the line.
My final post on this thread. May America reap what it sows.
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Old 4th November 2008, 17:37   #4604 (permalink)
 
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You'll be back.
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Old 4th November 2008, 17:41   #4605 (permalink)
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Jeez Kaos, ORAC is picking you apart. Guess that happens when you're economical with the facts.
Did you read my message, for once? These 3 work for Palin, one is reappointed by Palin, now I ask you again, partisan or independent? How gullible can one be...
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and the legislature/committee has come to no findings what so ever.
No findings?
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The report by investigator Steve Branchflower was made public late this afternoon by a bipartisan 12-0 vote of the Legislative Council, which authorized the investigation.
Branchflower's report contains four findings. The first concludes that Palin violated the state's executive branch ethics act, which says that "each public officer holds office as a public trust, and any effort to benefit a personal or financial interest through official action is a violation of that trust."

More...
Here's another interesting piece of how Palin manipulates the Alaska Legislature.
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Old 4th November 2008, 17:50   #4606 (permalink)
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Apologies if this has already been discussed.

I find it incredible that would-be voters in the USA are prepared to queue for hours in order to exercise their democratic (and republican) rights.
Here in the UK I have never had to 'hesitate' from approaching the polling station through collecting my ballot paper and entering a booth, marking my cross, dropping the vote in the box and leaving the premises.
I always choose to vote, however, if I had to hesitate and spend time queueing then I'm afraid I just wouldn't bother.
Now this might indicate a weakness in my determination to use the rights that many Worldwide would give their lives for, but, I believe the delays reflect badly on a society that considers itself to be the most advanced in the current days.
What do those entitled to vote for POTUS think?
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Old 4th November 2008, 17:54   #4607 (permalink)

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What do those entitled to vote for POTUS think?
I'll let you know when I get back, we're leaving now to go vote.
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Old 4th November 2008, 18:01   #4608 (permalink)
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I should have said, all 3 work under Palin
Errr, factually incorrect, they don't.

The members of the Personnel Board are appointed by the governor, confirmed by the legislature meeting in joint session, but the Board is an independent agency and the members are elected for a 6 year term and act independently deciding their own procedures and hiring their own staff.

The only circumstances under which the governor has any authority over them whatsoever is that he/shecan remove them, and only then for due cause.

You also now state that Palin re-appointed one of them, but the longest serving, Debra English, isn't due for re-appointed till 1/8/2010; and the last one elected, Alfred Tamagni, was appointed 10 months before Palin took office.

Debra E. English, appointed 1/8/2004
Alfred L. Tamagni, Sr. 3/1/2006

So it looks like you made yet another little mistake.

The other interpreatation, of course, is that the whole thing is a tissue of lies spread as part of a smear campaign - which you fell for hook line and sinker - and are desperately trying to defend.

Must be embarassing........
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Old 4th November 2008, 18:04   #4609 (permalink)
 
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I voted by mail last week. I can't imagine an easier way to do it. Ballot shows up, vote, insert ballot into envelope and mail it back. Perhaps I miss out on the common experience of standing in line for hours on end, but time is precious.


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Did you read my message, for once?
Which one? The version you first posted, or the corrected ones after ORAC fact checked for you? At least make it a challenge for him.
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Old 4th November 2008, 18:05   #4610 (permalink)
 
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Will it be possible to get a Sarah Palin calender in 2009?
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Old 4th November 2008, 18:19   #4611 (permalink)
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No findings?
Quote:The report by investigator Steve Branchflower was made public late this afternoon by a bipartisan 12-0 vote of the Legislative Council...
Sigh....

which part of the English language don't you understand?

I said, and I quote, "In reality, however, the investigator, a friend of the accused, submitted the first volume of his report, which the committee decided was releasable, pending it being considered after the legislature reconvened."

Which is exactly what your latest post confirms - they voted to release the first volume of the report - that's all. They did not endorse it..

"The Legislative Council did not vote on whether to endorse the report and does not have authority to apply sanctions. Under Alaska law, complaints of Ethics Act violations are brought to the Personnel Board, which is conducting its own investigation."


Keep on digging......
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Old 4th November 2008, 18:26   #4612 (permalink)
 
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Thankfully, the farce called the US Presidential Elections will soon be over, unless the Bush family need to review the voting slips again.

What a waste of money, how much has been spent, in total, by these egotistical senators?, what could that amount of money have been better used for?
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Old 4th November 2008, 18:44   #4613 (permalink)
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G-CPTN, a long line, inclement weather, etc, etc, all tend to keep folks from bothering, nothing new there for us.

This year seems to have more emotion, on both sides, as well as fair weather over most of the US, so the expected number of voters is expected to be unusually large.

Typically, the majority of US voters don't.
 
Old 4th November 2008, 19:18   #4614 (permalink)
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My perception is that 'None of the above' could be a winner.
(That also often applies here in England.)
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Old 4th November 2008, 19:44   #4615 (permalink)
 
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Sorry galaxy, been a bit busy today.

I get pretty annoyed by people here who make assertions and fail to back them up so in an attempt to avoid that scenario, here goes.

Rather than than give you my views, the views of a "furriner", the views according to some here which have no right to be expressed, the views of a wooly, weak, liberal european, the views which are apparently of little interest to insular USA, I will give you a link to the views of your own countrymen, people who loosely fall into the culture and age group of a person like me, people with pretty much the same perspective, but YOUR people, Your people.

The Worst President in History? : Rolling Stone

I am not alone.

We are not alone.


I echo the views of the ubiquitous brickhistory.


As long as there is one clear winner, with none of the shenannigins of the first Bush election of 2000, this non Cuban, ex-patriot, globe trotting soul will be trully satisfied.


Happy days.

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Old 4th November 2008, 19:56   #4616 (permalink)
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el,

Who, by PPRuNe name, has ever expressed the statement that 'ferrin' views are not welcome?

I will, for probably the 20th time, say I don't want to be told what to do by those with no impact of their own, but that the views of others are interesting, even if I disagree.

So who told you or others to not express themselves here?

If you cannot provide the information along with a quote from that ppruner, then why the preface to your your post?

BTW, don't put GWB in a class by himself. Check out JFK's 1960 election.
 
Old 4th November 2008, 19:58   #4617 (permalink)
 
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El Grifo:

We'll see what history thinks of the Bush presidency. Keep in mind, time and subsequent events have a way of changing perspective.

Here's a short quote about Harry Truman...widely recognized today for his courage and leadership in a very difficult time. He was a Democrat, by the way, but his legacy now is positive on both sides of the academic aisle.
"Harry Truman's popularity plummeted during his final years in office. The frustrations of Korea, the President's inability to enact much of his domestic program and scandals involving some of his staff led many to label him weak and ineffective. On the eve of his departure from office he stood below 30% in popularity polls."
Truman Presidency Exhibit - Harry S. Truman Presidential Museum & Library
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Old 4th November 2008, 20:05   #4618 (permalink)
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matari, how dare you bring history into this?

It must be about near term and the quick fix! How else should an executive make his/her decisions?

Take your historical example back I say!
 
Old 4th November 2008, 20:11   #4619 (permalink)
 
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Brick, I could trawl or you could trawl.

Either way, it has been made very clear to us non Americans, by many on this forum, that this is YOUR election and YOUR election alone.


You say yourself, that you do not want to be told by those with no impact of there own, failing completely to realise the impact felt by those selfasame persons of the omnipresent, powerful and sometimes heavy handed, effects of the impact on those powerless to decide.
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Old 4th November 2008, 20:26   #4620 (permalink)
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el,

Again, express your opinion to your heart's contentment, do not presume, as far as I'm concerned, to tell me or any other American voter what to do. As I've already voted, it's moot anyway.

As far as you being having to bear the consequences of the American election, I guess then that you are just geopolitically unlucky. I want my government to do what's best for my country and for me. Hopefully, your country's government interests and mine coincide and we can work to the benefit of both. If not, I'm firmly on my side.

God, fate, the roll of the cosmic dice, whatever, made it so. Not my problem or, really, my concern.

Still gives you zero standing to instruct me on what to do regarding my vote in my election.
 
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