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Old 2nd November 2008, 23:57   #4481 (permalink)
 
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El Grifo.... I'm having a hard time understanding your little tune there, so please put it into context for me?

Is this a tune of gloating on PPRuNe or because you actually think he's going to make THAT much of a difference in your life--in your part of the world? Because it's really hard for me to understand the latter.



Perhaps a bet you'll win.....?
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Old 3rd November 2008, 00:06   #4482 (permalink)
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Happy days are here again the skies are almost clear again.
I haven't traveled all over Europe, I'm American you see, so don't need to.

But, as the next President of the United States is sworn into office in January, isn't it still pretty nippy over there in liberalland, er, 'Old Europe?'

If the gent sworn in on January 20th has a really nice suit and some large ears, I'd be listening for the squeeking of the gas main being turned off.


But that's just me. I'm not as nuanced as those without a vote.
 
Old 3rd November 2008, 02:15   #4483 (permalink)
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This poll mean anything?

Day 21: IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll

The race tightened again Sunday as independents who'd been leaning to Obama shifted to McCain to leave that key group a toss-up. McCain also pulled even in the Midwest, moved back into the lead with men, padded his gains among Protestants and Catholics, and is favored for the first time by high school graduates.


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Old 3rd November 2008, 03:44   #4484 (permalink)
 
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barit1:

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see this clip and read this book: The Price of Everything
Enjoyed the clip, the book will be on my Christmas list.

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Old 3rd November 2008, 03:49   #4485 (permalink)

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Why don't you or any other Obamasitas post something that shows he more worthy VP, let alone President, than Palin?
Connie - you're gonna have to do a whole lot better than that! I'm talking of Palin - I don't recall ever stating on here that Obama is a better candidate.

Oh, and holding public office is not substantial enough - plenty of goofs have done that.

I ask again: - what makes Palin such a suitable candidate for apex politics and access to the USA's nuclear codes.

I will give her one thing though...... she does have the worst Canadian accent I have ever heard
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Old 3rd November 2008, 04:02   #4486 (permalink)
 
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Gov. Palin is commander of the Alaska National Guard - but I'm sure that won't impress you, Jet.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 04:42   #4487 (permalink)

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Barit - you're right - I doesn't impress me.

She doesn't even command a brigade - yet somehow, you suggest that makes her suitable as C in C of the US Armed Forces.

There are commanders in the field that have command over far greater numbers of military personnel than she does - but I suggest they're not up for the C in C spot.

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Old 3rd November 2008, 07:34   #4488 (permalink)
 
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I ask again: - what makes Palin such a suitable candidate for apex politics and access to the USA's nuclear codes.
The above quote and other comments make me wonder if you really understand. There is NO job that makes you 100% ready for the job on day one. The inferences you've made make me think your comparing one CEO uprooting to another CEO job of equal stature This isn't it.

If you live anywhere near reality, or can at least see it from where you're at then you must accept the premise that there isn't any job like being the President that a US citizen can have on the resume. Some jobs are somewhat similar but of a smaller scale, such as Governor. The job of a Guv mimics that of a President closer than any other. They make budgets, they govern in a far more rancorous bicameral structure, They enter in to agreements with heads of other nations, they do command significant military forces (California guard is over 20,000 folks, tanks to fighters and everything in between) They nominate Judges for the Supreme court. All of this should sound familiar, it's what a President does as well.
Senators on the other hand have a much more narrow focus and don't transfer nearly as much experience.
Biden's budget you ask? just enough to pay his staffers and keep an office open. Hers, many, many billions with thousands of employees.
As much as you dislike it, public experience is one of the metrics we use(and I suspect the same in your country as well) to judge capability. She has excelled in public service and is very popular with the electorate.
As much as you would like to focus in only on Palin, politics doesn't operate in a vacuum, candidates are judged against each other. When viewed against Bidens narrow field of experience the thumbs up has to go to her.

Now I ask you,what doesn't make her qualified to be the VP, especially given the only other choice we have?
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Old 3rd November 2008, 07:56   #4489 (permalink)
 
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What is the power behind these people? from whence does it come? anybody with these people for friends I would have thought would be trying to keep out of the limelight.

Home truths about the US crisis

In 1999 a prominent Democrat, Howell Raines, chairman and chief executive of Fannie Mae, began a program which eased credit requirements for lower-income borrowers, especially "minority" applicants. Raines is African-American. In 2006, the Government filed suit against Raines to recover some of the $US90 million in income he had made at Fannie Mae based on overstated company earnings. The suit was settled this year and Raines fined about $US1 million.

"Although he is now regarded as a culprit in the credit scandal, Raines is an adviser to Senator Obama. His predecessor as chief executive at Fannie Mae, James Johnson, is also an adviser to Obama's advisory team. After arriving in Congress, Senator Obama received $US126,349 in campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the second-highest amount given to anyone in Congress.

Don't get too starry-eyed about the magnetic Obama. Modern politics requires a calculated political cunning, which he has in abundance. But that's a whole other story."



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Old 3rd November 2008, 08:01   #4490 (permalink)

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Westcoast - using your logic, that makes her a more suitable candidate for the presidency than McCain - after all, he was never a governor either.

Wasn't George W. Governor of Texas?? Fine job he's done so far.

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She has excelled in public service and is very popular with the electorate
I have been asking for links to sites or data that demonstrates that.

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Now I ask you,what doesn't make her qualified to be the VP, especially given the only other choice we have?
I have yet to see or read anything that makes her suitable other than the fact she was Governor of Alaska. Everything I have heard, read of seen of her has been nothing but jingoism and popularism - not one scrap of policy, vision, plans - not one scrap of substance.

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As much as you would like to focus in only on Palin, politics doesn't operate in a vacuum, candidates are judged against each other.
She needs to be scrutinised! If McCain dies, and considering his age, it is a possibility, she won't be discharging the duties of the First Lady, she'll be the President!

Doesn't that bother any of you at all?

It worries me - and I'm just a poor simple that lives in a nuclear target outside of continental USA.

I accept I could be totally incorrect about her - therefore, I ask again for information that shows she would make a capable president - not just 2008's Next American Idol.

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Old 3rd November 2008, 08:27   #4491 (permalink)
 
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" not one scrap of policy, vision, plans - not one scrap of substance."

And BO's policy of change, although what is to be changed and how these changes are going to be implemented has not yet been forthcoming, is full of substance???

" Doesn't that bother any of you at all?"


In 2006, the Government filed suit against Raines to recover some of the $US90 million in income he had made at Fannie Mae based on overstated company earnings. The suit was settled this year and Raines fined about $US1 million.

"Although he is now regarded as a culprit in the credit scandal, Raines is an adviser to Senator Obama. His predecessor as chief executive at Fannie Mae, James Johnson, is also an adviser to Obama's advisory team. After arriving in Congress, Senator Obama received $US126,349 in campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the second-highest amount given to anyone in Congress."


That bothers me a lot more, and that is indisputable fact. This man could be the next president with financial advisers of this calibre??,
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Old 3rd November 2008, 08:42   #4492 (permalink)

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How much clearer can i make it - I am not asking of Obama Barack.

His - and McCain's I will add - are well documented.

Now, one more time for the slow ones:

S-A-R-A-H P-A-L-I-N

not Bush, not Obama, not McCain, not Ronald McDonald.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 09:15   #4493 (permalink)
 
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Come now, you asked an open question,

" Doesn't that bother any of you at all?" and I told you what bothers me more.


"I ask again for information that shows she would make a capable president - not just 2008's Next American Idol."

Now who could answer a question like that? you put in "2008's Next American Idol ", is she contesting Next American Idol 2008??

" His - and McCain's I will add - are well documented."

They are documented assumptions, until they are in the "Hot Seat" and their actions and reactions have been tested they can be nothing more than assumptions.

"It worries me - and I'm just a poor simple that lives in a nuclear target outside of continental USA."

Which one of those worries you most???
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Old 3rd November 2008, 09:50   #4494 (permalink)

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Very clever Prospector, very clever

You're obviously a leading intellect in the land of the wrong white crowd.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 09:52   #4495 (permalink)
 
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lives in a nuclear target outside of continental USA."
My humble advice is to move, start drinking heavily or both! When one of them thar dang Minuteman missiles leaves North Dakota, it is over in 25 minutes or less!! If there are two lanterns in Old North Church, missiles coming by sea, will be quicker. Give me some lat/long coordinates, we can narrow your time frame down some.

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Old 3rd November 2008, 10:14   #4496 (permalink)
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We go to bed tonight, here in the Southern Hemisphere, 12 hours before you lot in North America do, on this, the eve of a momentous decision.

The die is all but cast. The result lies in the lap of the Gods.

We can have no input into that result, but yet we care about its outcome, because that outcome affects us all, out here in the world, such is the size and influence of your nation.

We wish you the best.

I have voiced my opinions and expressed my preferences, and I thank those of you for whom it is relevant, for your attention and your civility.

Tomorrow, my time, you will have a new President. Whomever that may be, you will remain my friends and you will retain my respect. Such is the weight and the length of history.

Good luck, and God Bless America.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 10:52   #4497 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Blue wolf,
The polls will probably close for the final count Tuesday night USA time.
So we wont really know the results until Wednesday, if no problems.
With the large voter turn out for this one, anything is possible.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 10:59   #4498 (permalink)
 
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Tomorrow, my time, you will have a new President.
[pedant mode=on]

Actually, they won't. The poor bu99ers will still have the old one. They will, however, have a President Elect who takes office in a coupla months' time.

[pedant mode=off]
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Old 3rd November 2008, 11:33   #4499 (permalink)
 
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Sorry BlueWolf, but you have your time zones mixed up.

Tomorrow night, as we go to sleep, the polls will be opening and we should hear preliminary results during Wednesday, our time.

As BW says, your decision will affect us all.

All the best.
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Old 3rd November 2008, 12:18   #4500 (permalink)
 
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The really interesting question, come Wednesday (and more importantly, in the months and years afterwards), especially for those voting for what to this observer seems little more than a (very vague) promise of 'change', (whatever that means), is what each and every one of them thinks that 'change' will be.

My guess? A lot of people are in for a lot of disappointment - or, to put it another way, four more years of business as usual.
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