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Old 21st October 2008, 13:33   #3961 (permalink)
 
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have a few more beers, wine, whatever - and relax.

Whatever happens re:US elections will ultimately make 4/5ths of 9/10ths of f**k all difference in the world - and you can't control it.

In reality the machinations of politics now is same same - start getting worried when/if the 'hitler' march ever gains force again.
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Old 21st October 2008, 13:38   #3962 (permalink)
 
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deft touch regarding the betting - nice.


See if "subtle" really IS absent in the Dictionary (de englais pour americanos.)
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Old 21st October 2008, 13:41   #3963 (permalink)
 
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Whatever happens re:US elections will ultimately make 4/5ths of 9/10ths of f**k all difference in the world
Really?

If one was to rate a comment from 1 to 10 for grasp of reality, that gets .0005.

Have a look around Mr Einstein. The one that got me was Berlusconi (thats Italy for you Albert). Why are are Italian banks getting smashed? Collateral damage. The dirt and decay is of the CDS's is only 2 - 3% visible. Watch and discover how American greed can bring down a system of govt (give it 36 months).
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Old 21st October 2008, 13:44   #3964 (permalink)
 
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Bluewolf, Mr Binoculars is offering fine odds in putting your money where your mouth is???
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Old 21st October 2008, 13:56   #3965 (permalink)
 
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Apologies but my beliefs is that, regardless of who wins/loses the positive/negative/average of the US juggernaut will continue unimpeeded, with a limp maybe - but the next leader of the "free world" will not much change the direction of the US in the world.

Now the direction for domestic policies ?? - well that's a large part of why all those wise, informed locals line up to vote.
Isn't it???
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Old 21st October 2008, 14:16   #3966 (permalink)

 
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Galaxy, you link to Thomas Sowell.
From your doing that I take it that you feel this man's opinions are of value.
So I perused some more of his writings, and they were interesting. One can never get enough perspective after all.

That is, until I came over his ramblings about Obama wanting sex education in kindergarten.


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Many Americans would consider sex education for kindergartners to be absurd but there is more to it than that.

What is called "sex education," whether for kindergartners or older children, is not education about biology but indoctrination in values that go against the traditional values that children learn in their families and in their communities.

Obviously, the earlier this indoctrination begins, the better its chances of overriding traditional values. The question is not how urgently children in kindergarten need to be taught about sex but how important it is for indoctrinators to get an early start.

The arrogance of third parties, who take it upon themselves to treat other people's children as a captive audience to brainwash with politically correct notions, while taking no responsibility for the consequences to those children or society, is part of the general vision of the left that pervades our education system.

Sex education for kindergartners is just one of many issues on which Barack Obama has lined up consistently on the side of arrogant elitists of the far left. Senator Obama's words often sound very reasonable and moderate, as well as lofty and inspiring. But everything that he has actually done over the years places him unmistakably with the extreme left elitists.
Is the man deaf dumb and blind?
America's stick-our-heads-in-the-sand-and-promote-no-sex-for-teens policy on sex education has led to the fact that it has the HIGHEST incidence of teenage pregnancies in the developed world.
The highest!


Here are the stats, easily readable ones from Wiki for the short attention spanners, and some other more detailed ones.
Link link link link



Looking at those facts, what mr Sowell writes is blatantly fallacious and painfully ignorant. Which makes it hard for me to judge wether the rest of his writings should be taken seriously or if they are of the same deplorably misleading and ignorant level.

But as I said, the more views the better, so thank you for posting the link GF.
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Old 21st October 2008, 14:50   #3967 (permalink)
 
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Maximus is taking a little break
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Old 21st October 2008, 14:59   #3968 (permalink)
 
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Why not give vouchers, which have been proven to be effective, a try?
Why not give Catholic schools a try ? You seem to think they're effective too.

No one, including me, will try to defend the state of some of our schools. Trying to lay the blame at the feet of Democrats and unions is silly. Segregating children by their socioeconomic status is the problem -- not the solution. Down here, we referred to it as "white flight". The people that could afford it left the cities for the suburbs -- taking their tax dollars with them.

And that is leaving out the problems our poorer counties (without any "inner city") face.

Back to Presidential elections.

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Old 21st October 2008, 15:01   #3969 (permalink)
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BlueWolf, I very much agree with you. A pint of whatever you wish should we ever cross paths!


I think, as others have stated, that it will be a gut check come 4 November 08 and I believe that at least one more voter than necessary will ask themselves if they really trust Obama or think he can safeguard them and their families.

McCain is very slowly gaining ground in the polls again, so it's anything but a sure thing for Obama.

I haven't seen much coverage of two classic Biden-isms:

1. Paraphrasing: "Barack says it best. He says it all comes down to one three letter word, J-O-B-S." Remember the implosion of Dan Quayle? What if Palin had said it?

2. CoF's note about the "guarentee of Obama" being tested doesn't seem to get much play so far this morning. If McCain were to say it, can you imagine the backlash?

I hope for a McCain win due to the, hopeful, gridlock of a Republican White House vs. an uber-liberal House and Senate. He's using that message in his recent campaign and I think it's gaining traction.
 
Old 21st October 2008, 15:04   #3970 (permalink)
 
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BlueWolf, I very much agree with you.

Now there's a surprise
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:40   #3971 (permalink)

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I think, as others have stated, that it will be a gut check come 4 November 08 and I believe that at least one more voter than necessary will ask themselves if they really trust Obama or think he can safeguard them and their families.
Rather like Samuel Johnson's description of a second marriage as a triumph of hope over experience. Good luck Brick, though like you I believe there will be a gut instinct at the time of voting that will lead things to be closer than would currently seem apparent.

I'm not claiming it's racism as you demand, I'll just leave it to you to make up your own mind. Let's face it, it gives you a nice comfortable excuse should BHO somehow lose against all odds.

But then, you would probably say exactly the same thing, non?
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:43   #3972 (permalink)
 
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Segregating children by their socioeconomic status is the problem -- not the solution. Down here, we referred to it as "white flight". The people that could afford it left the cities for the suburbs -- taking their tax dollars with them.
I perceive it more as "flight from crime and chaos" - and it's not confined to whites. We have plenty of black & Asian families doing likewise. My own little neighborhood is a microcosm of the American melting pot.

It's called (pardon my borrowing Milton Friedman's book title) "Free To Choose".
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Obama appears too glib for my peace of mind.
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:49   #3974 (permalink)
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BlueWolf, I very much agree with you. A pint of whatever you wish should we ever cross paths!
Personally I think having a pint with someone who doesn't agree with me can be at least as interesting...

Looking at the heritage the Republicans left after 8 years in the White House as well as during the 2 Campaigns, being liberal or conservative, I would say there's need for a change. 8 years with Fear as Leitmotiv has brought the US to a grinding halt. A new breeze of air, like opening the window of a long closed muggy room, is desperately necessary to overcome equally closed minds and get the US back on track where it belongs.

Juud, I fully agree with you, but we're almost from a different planet...

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It's called (pardon my borrowing Milton Friedman's book title) "Free To Choose".
Well, looking back the last couple of months we've seen where Friedman's doctrine has lead us too...
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:51   #3975 (permalink)

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Obama appears too glib for my peace of mind.
Well, that settles that then. We've wasted 200 pages.
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:54   #3976 (permalink)
 
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That's what I thought, B.
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Old 21st October 2008, 15:57   #3977 (permalink)
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binos,

sorry, not enough coffee yet this morning.

What does:
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I'm not claiming it's racism as you demand, I'll just leave it to you to make up your own mind. Let's face it, it gives you a nice comfortable excuse should BHO somehow lose against all odds.
mean?

Is your intent that I will say Obama lost because of racism? If so, I simply don't think that will be why a majority of voters decide not to pull the lever for him on Election Day. I think he will lose mainly due to security and a lack of a sense of how he is and what he means.

If that is not your intent, again, sorry, but I'm not grasping it.
 
Old 21st October 2008, 16:17   #3978 (permalink)

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That's your problem, Brick.

After all, as you have made perfectly clear at least twenty times in this thread, you are not interested in the opinion of anybody who doesn't have a vote in the forthcoming election.

I'm surprised you even bother to respond to my post. Does it strike a nerve somewhere? Is there something inside you that knows that a huge backlash against Obama when the time comes to vote can only be due to one thing, or could it be a case of middle America suddenly coming to its political senses and realising that the course of the last eight years is the one and true path?

Am I accusing middle America of innate racism? You betcha. You asked for it, you've got it. If McCain gets up there can be no other reason, no matter how you try to disguise it.
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Old 21st October 2008, 16:42   #3979 (permalink)
 
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Why not give Catholic schools a try ? You seem to think they're effective too.
Exactly what I was advocating. I want to allow poor inner city children to attend performing schools, such as parochial schools, through the use of enabling incentives like vouchers.

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Back to Presidential elections.
I never left the presidential elections.

Public education is a critical issue and a national security issue (Obama's words). Republicans have consistently advocated practical and workable solutions for this problem, while Democrats, in protecting their union base, have advocated status quo, and have not offered practical solutions.

Case in point: your non-response.
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Old 21st October 2008, 16:51   #3980 (permalink)
 
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Public education is a critical issue and a national security issue (Obama's words).
"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be improved to a certain degree."

Thomas Jefferson's words.

I don't see school vouchers as a solution. What else would you like to disagree about ?

Obama's ideas on education

It's not about what I think (or you think) on the subject. It's about choosing who leads. Even then, the subject will have to go through the grist mill of Congress.

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