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Old 19th October 2008, 21:21   #3901 (permalink)
 
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Typical Colin Powell behaviour. Wait till you see which way the wind is blowing before you make a committment. I never figured out the obsession with Powell as a potential presidential candidate. He was undecisive in the military, unspectacular at State, and similarly undecisive as a possible politician.

I'll grant you, he seems like a nice man, and has certain other requisite genetic attributes.
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Old 19th October 2008, 21:35   #3902 (permalink)
 
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And is this the result that all the sacrifice going into Iraq is for???

" How China is Beating the United States in the Global Oil Game

Iraq recently signed its first oil deal in 35 years with a foreign company.

And – quite surprisingly to many observers – the company wasn't one of ours.

Not surprisingly, the U.S. news media barely acknowledged the deal – even though the agreement was major news throughout the rest of the world.

According to reports from Baghdad, the 22-year deal between the Iraqi government and the China National Petroleum Co. involves $55 billion, or 87% of Iraq's current total revenue at a conservative long-term estimate of $100 a barrel..."
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Old 19th October 2008, 21:59   #3903 (permalink)
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Typical Colin Powell behaviour. Wait till you see which way the wind is blowing before you make a committment. I never figured out the obsession with Powell as a potential presidential candidate. He was undecisive in the military, unspectacular at State, and similarly undecisive as a possible politician.

I'll grant you, he seems like a nice man, and has certain other requisite genetic attributes.
Your disappointment is clouding your judgement. Already in 2007 it was known that Powell would back Obama.
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Old 19th October 2008, 21:59   #3904 (permalink)
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Typical Colin Powell behaviour. Wait till you see which way the wind is blowing before you make a committment
Perhaps he simply waited to announce his endorsement until it had the most effect. Or is that considered to beyond a man of certain genetic attributes?

No doubt the private anonymity of the voting booth will see the inner George Wallace of many a voter - that they choose to keep from the pollsters, due to pure embarrasment, one would hope - emerge.
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Old 19th October 2008, 22:16   #3905 (permalink)
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Ah, another one.

Conan, can I get you to publicly state that should Obama lose, it will be due to his race and not his policies?

I am not voting for Obama because of his utter lack of background and experience, his nebulous, if even public knowledge, policies, and his long-term affliation with disreputable persons and the Daly machinery.

Am I a racist?
 
Old 19th October 2008, 22:58   #3906 (permalink)
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Not everything is about you, brick. You make up 0.0000000045% of the electorate, so you are fairly insignificant.

Are you asking me if you are a racist because you don't know? Or are you just trying to put words in my mouth. I am sure we both know the answer.

You can of course pretend that the 'genetic attributes' of the two candidates play no part in the election, but we both know that is not the case.

With the race as close as it is, it could potentially affect the outcome.
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Old 19th October 2008, 23:03   #3907 (permalink)
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conan, fair enough.

Let me rephrase it: Do you state now that the only reason Obama might lose is because of his race?

Some will vote against him because he's not a woman (hint: Hillary-ites).

I will vote against him not because I'm enamored of McCain, but because I'd rather have gridlock than uber-liberals in both the Executive and Legislative branches with the real possibility of that swing extending to the Judicial.
 
Old 19th October 2008, 23:19   #3908 (permalink)
 
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Brickie

Politics is a horrible argument, but then again, I'll try again,

Anyone with doubts about how the housing crisis evolved, please read today's NYT housing article on Cisneros. Here is a man central to all sides of the crisis-HUD secretary, director of Countrywide Bank, friend of Angelo Mozilo, developer in Texas. Fascinating portrait of the crisis from an insider who now recognizes the problem-some people shouldn't have gotten the mortgages in the first place.

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If you want to know one reason for resistance to BHO's health plan, indeed most government-mandated health plans, search in Wiki (among other places) for "tax incidence". It explains simply why most mandate's costs are borne by the employee, not the employer. While, we do it now, why should employees have their choices in health care driven by government mandates? BTW, if your answer is "single payer", who will bear the tax burden for that system?

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Old 19th October 2008, 23:22   #3909 (permalink)
 
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Pre-election tension is mounting and I submit we all need a little levity. You men can get back to your well defended positions, but perhaps if the candidates have a chuckle, we can too.

Sarah Palin On SNL With Tina Fey, Weekend Update's Alaska Rap, Baldwin And Wahlberg (VIDEO)
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Old 19th October 2008, 23:32   #3910 (permalink)
 
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Someone mentioned airline deregulation was a Republican idea. Au contraire, it was the Carter administration under CAB chief Alfred Kahn. The Airline Dereg Act was sponsored by......drum roll.........that liberal of liberals.........ta da.......Senator Edward Kennedy. He's the one that started whole deregulation business.

Click Airline Deregulation Act at Wiki
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Old 20th October 2008, 00:43   #3911 (permalink)
 
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Someone mentioned airline deregulation was a Republican idea.
Let me help you out GF.

Airline Deregulation Act

Leading economists had argued for several decades that this sort of regulation led to inefficiency and higher costs. In 1970-71 the Council of Economic Advisors in the Richard Nixon Administration, along with the Antitrust Division of the Department of Justice and other agencies, proposed legislation which would diminish price collusion and entry barriers in rail and truck transportation. While this initiative was in process, in the follow-on Gerald Ford Administration, the United States Senate Judiciary Committee, which had jurisdiction over the antitrust laws, a part of competition law, began 1975 hearings on airline deregulation. Senator Ted Kennedy took the lead in these hearings. This committee was deemed a more friendly forum than what likely would have been the more appropriate venue, the Aviation Subcommittee of the Commerce Committee. The Gerald Ford Administration supported the Senate Judiciary Committee initiative.

In 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed Alfred E. Kahn, a professor of economics at Cornell University, to be chair of the CAB. A concerted push for the legislation had developed, drawing on leading economists, leading 'think tanks' in Washington, a civil society coalition advocating the reform (patterned on a coalition earlier developed for the truck-and-rail-reform efforts), the head of the regulatory agency, Senate leadership, the Carter Administration, and even some in the airline industry. This coalition swiftly gained legislative results in 1978.


I can't remember...aren't you the "primary source" guy ? Read "Hard Landing". Interesting politics behind the whole thing.

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Old 20th October 2008, 00:59   #3912 (permalink)
 
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I believe your post pretty much proves the enactment of airline deregulation was a Democratic bill.

As an Eastern veteran, I have read just about all the books on the subject, including living through the era. ALPA supported a number of Republicans just to spite the Democratic deregulation. Airline pilots actively HATED Kahn, Kennedy and Carter for it. BTW, I was S/O rep on the MEC.

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I'll surrender to Wiki, when I need a fast answer, but still prefer primary sources. It was quick here.
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Old 20th October 2008, 01:34   #3913 (permalink)
 
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Constitutional law lesson

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Old 20th October 2008, 01:51   #3914 (permalink)
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Re the Powell endorsement; I had to ponder on it for a bit, and no doubt, it's not good news for McCain.

What it apparently is, however, is 'bandwagon-ing' by Powell.

I believe he does support the Democrat, but he wanted to make sure he was on the winning (apparently) side before it was too late. He could have stayed silent and won or lost no respect from either left or right. Instead he made his mark after the tough sledding has, apparently, been done.

I wonder, on the admittedly slim chance, if McCain wins, if or how Secretary Powell will backtrack?

Besides for reasons of wanting what's better (notice I don't say best as neither candidate is such) for my country, I so look forward to the placing of crow on the endangered species list by pundits, most media (although they'll cry 'foul' over the duplicitious voters), and some American ppruners.

I may not get my wish, but it is the (at least this one's) American dream.
 
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I was also shocked about hearing the Colin Powell endorsement.
He was a person that all us retired and current military people respected.
My idea only, was that maybe the Bush administration made him look bad as he stood before the UN saying there was WMD in Iraq and there was not any made him look like a fool!
As George Bush has made us all look like fools many times.
But he was our president and we supported him for the duration.
I would as many others vote for Colin as President.
But he is not running so my vote remains the same for Mccain.
Obama does not stand for the working people of this great country.
His tax plans will never work, he is just someone that is promoting change to the American people and cannot deliver on anything.
His plan will put all of us in poverty.
When his so called welfare handouts don't work he will begin taxing everyone,
then who will everyone blame?
I don't agree with McCain or Palin either but consider them the less of the 2 evils.
Obama should not even be considered in this race for the white house.
His lack of experience , past association with less than credible people, welfare handouts ,taxation, medical care,illegal immigration policies should be more than enough to stay away from this welfare idiot!!!!!
Lets look at Acorn also, voter registration, this was by the democratic party.
Obama has a brother that lives in a cardboard house in Kenya, yet he does nothing to help him.
Whats wrong with that picture, yet many feel that you need to vote for him?????????
How many of us here would let this happen to our own brother and we and do nothing about it, What are you smoking here????
Especially when he had the means to do so!!!!
Are you looking for a President with family values or some welfare idiot that allows his own brother to live like this?
People here in the USA want change, we all do, but this idiot does not have the brain or experience level to provide it.
If we operated aircraft like the Obama types we would kill everyone before we ever left the parking!!!!
Anyone that votes for Obama really needs to do some research and if you still feel this way thank God you are not operating an airplane.
Even the household plumbers have him figured out, what happened to the rest of us?????
Must be everyone wants those free Lazy welfare handouts!!!
Then all the freeloader welfare types such as Obama's wife stand up and say for the first time I am proud of my country!!!
Obama will let everyone know, no need to put your hand over your heart when the pledge of allegiance is being played.
You see where this is going??
He is a good bullshit artist though, has more than half fooled!!!

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Old 20th October 2008, 04:46   #3916 (permalink)

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Well said Earl, well said. Problem is that the 'Republican haters' don't care about the truth. All they want is 'change'.

Hitler was a change. Stalin was a change. Mao was a change.

And so on and so on.

However, not to worry;

McCain 60% +/- 4%

Obama 40% +/- 4%

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I'll have what C-P is having!

Today, I relearned the futility of arguing politics while skeet shooting. Shooter is going on about GWB, points out how No Child Left Behind and Education programs has been thrown away by this Administration. Leaving aside the argument that Education is none of the Fed's business, that the Constitution (10th Amendment) does not grant the Federal Gov't power over education; I point out that the Dep't of Education's budget has gone up over 50% since GWB took office. "Huh?, everyone knows that ain't true" is the only response. Well, I go check it out and the actual budget increase was 61% and Congress in one year (2005) Congress actually cut the Administration's request. Most years Congress appropriated more than requested and it was signed by that spendthrift, no Scrooge, Bush. The 61% two-term increase was also more than twice Clinton's budget increases for DOEd over his two terms.

In the headlong rush to elect BHO, does anyone care about facts anymore? Or only facts they like.

Oh and there's this gem about the housing crisis-Barack, H for Hussein, Obama was legal counsel for a class action suit against Citigroup in Chicago in 1994. The suit was demanding Citigroup stop "redlining" and denying access to mortgages to low income families. The argument was, that while Citigroup was approving more than half of low income area mortgage apps, they were, percentage-wise, approving more loan apps in higher-income areas. So, it was discrimination. Settled out of court and sealed. So, a small part of the blame for the housing crisis can be laid at his $1.2 million doorstep.

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Old 20th October 2008, 05:28   #3918 (permalink)

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I have a system GF, never has failed me.

And no, it has nothing to do with goldfish and/or Scotch.
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I like it!

BTW, exercising one's Second Amendment rights in MA is going to get 2.5 times more expensive under BHO lookalike Deval Patrick. Anyone from this state knows what the future holds after this politician has run the place so stupidly.

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GTF:

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The diagnois would just be "mean". They want to think they're tough. They're not. Just mean.
So Republicans are just mean?

Does helping poor, inner city children get out of their filthy, horribly performing, union-dominated, democratically-controlled schools and into fully functioning private schools through the use of vouchers make Republicans mean?

I"ll ask it again since you again made a ridiculous statement. Where do you stand on helping poor inner city minority children, GTF?

I'm for helping them get out and into good functioning schools. I assume you continue to be on the side of status quo, radical unions and failed democratic policies.

Does that make you mean, or just wrong?
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