And you wonder why we think Americans are poorly educated tossers with no sense of history beyond 1941?
I believe the actual date you refer to should be 1989 or 1991, whether you prefer the Fall of the Wall or the Fall of the Soviet Union. The US kept 300,000 military personnel in Europe for 45 years keeping the peace. Remember the reason for NATO was to "keep the Germans down, the Americans in and Russians out" Make no mistake, the "Cold War" was WWIII.
We, and I include every European west of the eastern Polish border, won it.
"Hope and Change", BHO says! Well, check this out. The Dems Hope to recreate the Great Depression as a way to Change America to their ideals. Watch out!!
Most of the relief programs were shut down during World War II by the Conservative Coalition (i.e. the opponents of the New Deal in Congress). Many regulations were ended during the wave of deregulation in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Several New Deal programs remain active, with some still operating under the original names, including the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). The largest programs still in existence today are the Social Security System, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and Fannie Mae.
Virtually all historians believe that the New Deal helped resolve the Great Depression, but economists are less certain, with a substantial minority believing that it actually worsened the depression.[50] A 1995 survey of economic historians asked whether "Taken as a whole, government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression." Of those in economics departments 27% agreed, 22% agreed 'with provisos' (what provisos the survey does not state) and 51% disagreed. Of those in history departments, only 27% agreed and 73% disagreed.
Continue to cling to your "minority" opinion while millions of Amercians continue to enjoy the protection of the FDIC and Social Security.
BTW, wiki is hardly an authoritative source on the Great Depression, I could cite many articles and books with opposing views. The author's philosophical bent goes a long in explaining the differences. Read Amity Shales "The Forgotten Man" or Friedman's "The Monetary History of the United States" for different views.
Once again, YOU ARE IGNORING DIRECT QUESTIONS-THE ONE ABOUT WHICH OF "LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS" , FOR EXAMPLE.
Arnold Kling, a libertarian economist, has an interesting take on the "bailout" and the power associated with it. GTF, take your heart meds, Paulson for Treasury under BHO
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Whether the economy needs a "plan," or whether the plan will help the markets, is beside the point. The plan serves to consolidate power. Four weeks ago, the Fed and the Treasury had far more power than anyone can intelligently use. Still, they came to Congress requesting more power. Then, when the bill was passed, Paulson took even more power than what it sounded like the legislation was giving.
Now, there are rumors that the Democrats plan to re-appoint Paulson as Treasury Secretary. This American Mussolini has captivated Washington by demonstrating the exercise of raw power.
What I call the "suits vs. geeks divide" is the discrepancy between knowledge and power. Knowledge today is increasingly dispersed. Power was already too concentrated in the private sector, with CEO's not understanding their own businesses.
But the knowledge-power discrepancy in the private sector is nothing compared to what exists in the public sector. What do Congressmen understand about the budgets and laws that they are voting on? What do the regulators understand about the consequences of their rulings?
We got into this crisis because power was overly concentrated relative to knowledge. What has been going on for the past several months is more consolidation of power. This is bound to make things worse. Just as Nixon's bureaucrats did not have the knowledge to go along with the power they took when they instituted wage and price controls, the Fed and the Treasury cannot possibly have knowledge that is proportional to the power they currently exercise in financial markets.
Why the fear, loathing and dread at "spreading the wealth around"?
Is that more scary than "I want to take all the wealth off the poor folks and hand it to my few rich buddies"?
Shhhhhh Cap'n S. Their sense of self has already taken quite a beating already....what with their hero socializing the banking system, having to follow the European lead, and all that. Don't go telling them they aren't part up the top 5% just yet. Be kind.
Much of the worst in human nature can be explained by our need to feel as if we are "better" than somebody else.
I can't choose. Somebody else pick one.
Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much it is whether we provide enough for those who have little.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
That's the God that raised the income tax from Hoover's 25%, to the 62% in the Revenue Act of '32, to 94% by the War. Rates that high ensured no one would be stupid enough to work hard enough to pay those confiscatory taxes.
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I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Jefferson
They haven't!
Or Washington,
"Government is a dangerous servant and a fearful master"
GF
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The last Debate will start in a few minutes, both candidates will be required to remain sitting.
This should be funny for some, ever try and instruct a class sitting down?
Last night I was at a birthday celebration at the local pub here, election was on everyones mind.
Not 1 person did I hear say they were going to vote for Obama, all were totally against it.
Today I did my FAA medical, even my AME says Obama is trouble and he knows of no pilots that support him.
I asked him where is all this so called support coming from?
He said even other doctors he knows are not going with the Obama ticket.
So final thing here is this support or polls for Obahma just some B.S. on the news to see how they could influence the election?
I do hope McCain tonight opens that can of whoop ass as promised and shows us what kind of strong leader we can expect!!!!
Based on all those FDR quotes, I guess BHO's "Hope and Change" is a return to the Thirties. Oh boy!! OTOH, what if the banks, flush with Uncle Sam's hand-outs can't find anyone who wants to borrow money, that there is no productive places to use it? Hell, until the housing prices bottom out, no one is taking a mortgage.
Is that the Social Security that is in large deficit and you are not going to enjoy the protection of?
And here I was thinking you knew everything there was to know about my ex-job -- air traffic control, GF. I don't get Social Security. Never will.
Please, quote all the sources that you would like in revising the history of the Depression. Go type in the text from your books, link a bunch of .pdf files (that no one will read) and have a large time. Heck, search for the links on line and quote away. Wikipedia is such a large suscess because nobody finds it useful.
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Once again, YOU ARE IGNORING DIRECT QUESTIONS-THE ONE ABOUT WHICH OF "LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS" , FOR EXAMPLE.
I guess you'll just have to talk a little louder -- or think a little harder.
I can say one thing now.
From a scheduler for the USAF when not flying during the senior Bush Administration.
We were tasked with hauling the limos on the C-141 presidential support, when the 89th asked us.
All the enthusiasm went to nothing once the Clinton administration began.
Was really hard to schedule these missions.
Once a really wanted mission, not so much with Clinton.
Had a hard time finding crews for this one.
Same as I think from Obama soon, Clinton never respected the military, same as Obama, probaly even worse, crew will do it but dont want it.
This guy is troulbe from the word one!!!!
I am retired now so can say what i need.
GTF: With Bill Buckley dead and his son an apostate; someone has to "stand athwart history, yelling STOP!"
I guess it's all up to you, GF. Carry on.
I was listening to "Fresh Air" today and they had the editor of the editorial section of Anchorage Daily News on. Interesting stuff. Would you like the link for the audio ? Here's the link for the editorial. It says much the same thing.
That's great Earl. Why did the U.S. Military (I believe it was actually just the regular officers) abondon the tradition of not voting in national elections ? I stumbled on it the other day (the fact that it had changed) and I was surprised.
That is exactly what I meant-you are CSRS and, hence, not a Social Security eligible. SS is merely academic to you. Congrats to you, as a FERS retiree, I am stuck with that lousy system for a portion of my "retirement" and wait for another 6 years. Then again, my company is not American and has a good plan, my third plus a nice matching 401(k). If I had put that 12.4% that was taken in payroll taxes over the last 38 years, my 401(k) would be better off AND I would have an asset rather than a dubious claim on Congress' good will.
Yes, don't you worry, conservatism in 1955 was very much an exotic and marginal political philosophy when WFB started NR, it will return, soon enough. America is center-right, not left. Perhaps, in 2010 when BHO runs aground. assuming he gets underway.
Your Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness comment must be grounded in your Southern guilt-laden slavery experience in the 17th through 19th Centuries. Guilt being a common ailment of the left, along with a serious lack of humor and irony.
Where I come from, my ancestors used maple syrup because it was not a product of slave labor, they were abolitionists who visited urban renewal upon Atlanta in '64, serving under Uncle Billy. We should do it again.
I'll cease to bore you, as an incorrigibly impossible soul unable to understand American liberty. But, it is hard to believe you, a son of the Confederacy, would hold such beliefs. Shame, really-waste of good redneck.
GF
There was never a tradition of not voting among the officer corps, though some, like George Marshall made it known they didn't vote.
Some senior, and I mean very senior grade officers don't vote as they view politics as a distraction from professional military duties and worry that having their names attached to a particular political agenda might interfere with their ability to work with politicians of the other party.
These are not usually guys with a single or even a couple of stars but CINC level commanders and their peers. General Raymond Odierno stated in a 60 minutes interview he doesn't vote in presidential elections.
Truth is, at the higher levels its all about politics, and not the water cooler kind either.
Correct me if I am wrong GTF, but the Alaska Legislative Council merely voted to release the first, of three, volumes of the Branchflower report whcih they received. They did not in any way officially endorse it, and no votes or conclusions will be drawn till the whole report has been received and considered after the recess. Which will, of course, be long after the election.
The aim of the author, and his senior Democratic supporters, had been to release this volume on the weekend before the Presidential election, but they were overruled. Draw your own conclusions as to the motives of those making this out to be some of official guilty verdict.
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