In case you haven't figure it out, I'm not here to debate my views or yours
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I wasn't aware I had trouble expressing my views.
It appears that you don't deign to reply or explain yourself when an opposing view effectively counters your point, but rather adopt an airy "I'm above it all" along the lines of the first example.
Help this fellow product of the Georgia educational system understand the inherent conflict in your statements.
Our country has survived without many, many things. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..." Only one is "necessary" and even that is debatable.
Bravo, GTF.
The classic essence of the left has seldom been so succinctly put.
I can't understand why you hold such a view, but respect that you are unequivocal in admitting, trumpeting even, your ideology.
Now, please clarify which one among life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness you feel is debatably necessary.
And please call me Ben or BenThere vice Been There, my friend.
Track Coastal,
I sold my GE about four months ago at around 30. I had held it for over ten years with a total return, including dividends of about zero. That's why I sold it, not that I foresaw the coming crunch. It just wasn't performing, and I also have a problem with NBC. What I don't understand is why Buffet got into it if the prospects are dismal. He's no fool, and very, very seldom loses money on an investment.
I am in awe of controllers at LAX or JFK (who does all ground on one freq), and those of centers and tracons who analyze traffic, formulate and spit out clearances during the busy times with an intensity I know I could never muster. In fact I would be suicidal if I had to face that every working day. Hats off!
Maybe that's part of the reason some controllers get such whacky opinions.
I hope this thread doesn't suffer the fate of previous long running threads in being consigned to the ether, for verily I say to you, brothers and sisters, that it contains a huge amount of entertainment, but only if you start from the beginning and read forward.
The arrival of the delectable Sarah Palin into the mix had the predictable effect (start from about Page 100 if you're interested) but I repeat that the thread's value will be seen only in hindsight. I've just spent a couple of hours of my life reading from the beginning, skipping the odd page when it sank into the repetitive pits, and found a few gems that are worth reflecting on. I won't quote anyone by name, just their posts.
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“...sounds like 90% of the liberal Left-wing mainstream media, ……presumably, failing to prepare themselves in any way for the shock of incomprehension when the Democrats lose, as it has been obvious to most of us they are going to, for some considerable time”
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“I've said it before and I'll say it again.
McCain 60%, Obama 40% +/- 4%.”
“Not this time, McCain will take at least 38 to 40 states, no contest. In fact I would not be suprised that McCain takes over 45 states.”
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“I also think that Palin will pull over some Bilary voters.
Good choice by McCain, she already has more Experience than Obama with his limited days in office.
Seems she is not a bull shit artist either like Obama.”
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“Yup, Sarah Palin is one hell of a women. I'd vote for her in a heart beat. If there is any women who can be the first female POTUS she is it.
She has gravitas and substance and a record in government that leaves Obama looking more like a naughty little boy than the Messiah the left wing press is making him out to be.
The liberal talking heads are behaving in the most disgraceful manner. I think their attacks on this women and her family will backfire badly.”
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Well I must admit the Palin speech was absolutely what the Republicans and Independents needed to get them fired up for the general election. This coming from someone who thought McCain was out of his mind for selecting her as running mate. I was wrong, I now think BHO and Biden have little chance of winning. Good on Palin. Good on McCain for picking her!
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I just got back to Detroit from Minneapolis. While there, I sensed real change in the air due to the arrival on the political scene of Sarah Palin.
She hits so many buttons simply by who she is, what she has done, and how she presents herself……..
Democrats will learn that the more they denigrate, discredit, or even expose real faults Palin may have, the more angry they will make the majority of Americans who see her as 'one of us' –
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I agree XXX, the more she is attacked because she is a working mother and "cannot take care of her family serving as Vice-President or President" the more it is going to backfire into the Democrats face………..the truth is that Democratic Party has abandoned one of its base party platform that has helped to promote women out of the kitchen and into the work force.
Why? Because they are scared to death of Palin.
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I think you just summed up the East Coast Elite view which is going to lose them the election.
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So we're all agrred (sic) then, are we? The lady scares the bejzus out of everyone in what we'll call the Obama corner of the ring.
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Actually my prediction has nothing to do with Scotch or goldfish. When my poll is proven correct I'll let everybody know how I came up with it, after I made me millions that is. )
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Sarah Palin will go down in history as the most delectable VP nominee ever. After the initial excitement, will that make a difference? No. Even the gun-totin' right after they have finished masturbating over her won't be enough to get her over the line.
OK, that one was mine, and I think it's being proven true.
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Here's a challenge for your absurd generalisations. Find me a post, anywhere, in which I have expressed a belief that Obama would make a better president than McCain, as opposed to expressing my opinion that he will win.
That was mine too and I never got a response.
It's not as though I'm sticking my neck out now when it's all over, and you all know it. This election was lost as soon as Palin was nominated. Obama, ..err sorry, Barack HUSSEIN Obama has become a certainty by saying virtually nothing. I haven't read Sun Tzu's oft-quoted book but I would be surprised if it didn't contain somewhere a quote to the effect that if the enemy is shooting itself, why would you bother doing anything?
He hunts, He goes to church, He's from Georgia, Don was an AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER. Don busted his ass keeping aeroplanes apart.
Pay him respect.
TC,
How is there any disrespect in my questioning him?
At one point, he says he's not here to present his views (despite having used a fair amount of bandwidth previously doing just that) and then on the other hand, saying he's unaware of him having any difficulty doing just that.
I'm asking for clarification from him.
A separate but related question to you: Are only Americans who have/had the same job as you and/or who agree with you politically the only "fine" ones?
As fascist as you think I am, even I don't believe that of Americans who differ politically from me. (As an aside, substitute "bringing together" for "keeping apart", and Don and I are indistinguishable in bios. Yet, we couldn't be farther apart politically. Scary, isn't it.)
If you want a classic quote like this from Sun Tszu...
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Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.
Take a look at your post exchange with West Coast yesterday about naked long term puts on DOW 10K. Hope you didn't find a way to act on your opinion as you would be deep underwater this morning, astute as you are. Agree it's a volatile, short term movement.
Sometimes you go out on a limb, Binos. It's good to say what you think on a forum. The purported anonymity of it makes for good debate and constant reassessment, n'est-ce pas?
What's the point of searching an individual's posts for gotchas?
I dont choose to speak for Binos but the dead certainty that many seem to have indicated is interesting. To those that were deeply appreciative of McCain's choice that somehow an empty woman being placed on the ticket was some sort of political masterstroke which will win the election, it may seem it was a short lived dead cat bounce in the polls.
There have been others who were somewhat more cynical of the choice and it's reflection on McCain's ability to act under pressure.
It will be interesting to see what the final result will be. I am somewhat reminded of those that "knew" where WMDs were stored in Iraq and the certainty of the justification of invading Iraq...
The limited interviews we have seen of Ms Palin lead me to believe she will disappear after the election back to Alaska, rarely to be heard of again.
I can't help repeating how attractive Ms Palin is, but that only makes me sexist. More to the point though, do I think she would make a suitable President of USA?
Interesting question that, and it depends on whether we continue to propagate the conventional wisdom that only those with political smarts are suitable subjects when most of us secretly despise those who have reached any sort of political heights because they must by definition have been engaged in corrupt acts just to get there.
If somebody "normal" appears on the political landscape he/she is treated as a target for personal barbs. I wonder why? When you and I, the normal people who populate our countries whatever our shade of politics may be, find someone we like, we embrace them. We ask them to a bbq or something similar. The fact that we may fundamentally disagree on political leanings becomes meaningless unless either one of us is so extreme they repel contact.
Most of my friends are rampant right wingers and many are the "full and frank exchange of views" that have eventuated as a result. In the end those views are of the average Joe in the street. I find it a pity that slickly processed and sanitised opinions run through fifteen spin doctors are the only views allowed to be expressed by politicians, especially when they are a potential President.
I haven't lost any friends as a result of these disagreements and that is how things should be. We don't kill each other in the west for differing political views, we just have another drink. Long may that be the case.
I am here to say that no matter what transpires on these pages and whatever harsh words are said, I can think of only one person I would refuse to have a drink or fifteen with. Outright racism I won't put up with; all other views are discussable. (Is that a word?)
And if you think that sounds like a permanent invitation to anybody venturing into my neck of the woods, you are right.
I can't help repeating how attractive Ms Palin is, but that only makes me sexist.
Attractive..hmmmm...aren't you mixing up Palin with Tina Fey? I fail to see the attraction in the first, but for the second I second you fully.
Re: your quotes for Palin, very interesting. It would also be interesting to see a compilation of self fulfilling prophesies from the usual suspects about Iraq, NoK, Iran and Georgia as well
But all is not lost. My son (the math geek) is home for the holiday. His favorite site is fivethirtyeight.com/. And while it is currently showing that Obama has a 94.9% chance of winning...I did notice this "Hail Mary" plan.
Alas, even that glimmer of hope seems to be fading already. Nevertheless, interesting reading. But hey ! The stock market is up. Somebody likes Socialism. There's just no telling what may happen. If we can go from Free Markets ! to Socialism in 3 weeks anything is possible.
Don Brown
Sorry for the error. Senator McCain has 158 votes in the poll. Not 258.
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It appears that you don't deign to reply or explain yourself when an opposing view effectively counters your point, but rather adopt an airy "I'm above it all" along the lines of the first example.
If my view is effectively countered, what is left to explain ? Perhaps more to the point -- I'm confident that my views (or the ones that I post) stand on their own and that viewers are wise enough to make up their own minds.
I say the sky is blue. You say the sky is red and post a picture of a lovely red sky at sunset.
Is a reply on my part required ? Is not the sky still blue ?
Perhaps more to the point -- I'm confident that my views (or the ones that I post) stand on their own and that viewers are wise enough to make up their own minds.
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In case you haven't figure it out, I'm not here to debate my views or yours
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You are here to debate your views or others.
Just wanted to get your 180* change verified.
Funny, I would have thought you were a man of convictions.
Interesting detail from Wikipedia on Sarah Palin's higher "education"...
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Palin attended several colleges and universities. In 1982, she enrolled at Hawaii Pacific College but left after her first semester. She transferred to North Idaho community college, where she spent two semesters as a general studies major. From there, she transferred to the University of Idaho for two semesters. During this time Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant, then finished third in the 1984 Miss Alaska pageant, at which she won a college scholarship and the "Miss Congeniality" award. She then attended Matanuska-Susitna community college in Alaska for one term. The next year she returned to the University of Idaho where she spent three semesters completing her Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism, graduating in 1987.
I find myself wondering how on earth she ever managed to complete a degree and what the standards for a BSc are given that she appears to have spent no longer than a year at any college.
Given her verbal performance when she isn't sat in front of an autocue, she makes GWB look like Einstein. One assumes that her degree wasn't awarded after a viva voce.
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alph2z >> he's still a close 2nd. 
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