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Old 11th October 2008, 06:59   #3541 (permalink)
 
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What then?

Last time I was in Washington State I found the climate a bit rainy. Of course I was on the Pacific Coast. That begs the question, if you sell your house where will you live? Is renting cheaper than paying a mortgage? Too, if real estate values are in free-fall, won't you take a bath on the sale?

Metaphor alert: A raped ape finds a supply of bubble gum in a cave on a desert island. What happens next? Whatever it is, I am sure it is the fault of GWB.
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Old 11th October 2008, 09:20   #3542 (permalink)
 
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Are Americans becoming a bunch of "whiners," as Phil Gramm, one of John McCain's advisers, suggested?

alph2z >> Members of the Republican party are becoming a bunch of whining crying scaredy-cat pussies.

Questioner: "I'm mad. I'm really mad. And what's gonna surprise you, it's not the economy. It's the socialists taking over our country."

YouTube - McCain Agrees Obama a "Hooligan," Palin Incites Crowd

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"Frankly we're, we're scared," one voter told McCain. "We're scared of an Obama presidency. And I'll tell you why. I don't want to bring a child up in a country uh where -- I love this country, we'll bring our child up no matter what -- but I'm concerned about someone that cohorts with domestic terrorists such as Ayers."

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When a woman referred to Obama yesterday as "an Arab," McCain cut her off and seized the microphone from her hands. "No, ma'am," he interjected.

Supporters jeer as McCain calls Obama 'a decent person' - The Boston Globe
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It is quite interesting to sit back and observe the creeping desperation setting in, as it slowly dawns on even the the most stubborn of stubborn republicans that the party is really over.

I play no part in any of the process since I am European.

I do have an interest however as to which political group and which head of that particular group will take over as the self professed "leader of the western world"

Call it bad luck or bad judgement, call it whatever you like, in my view, the tenure of George W Bush has been the most disasterous in living memory.

He has presided over a huge collection of natural and hand made disasters. There is no need for me to even attempt to list them, suffice to say that that when he returns from whence he came, he will leave behind serious wreckage.

It has been my opinion for many months now that McCain and Palin (who now is in even deeper trouble according to this mornings news reports) are simply sacrificial lambs.

Who, amongst even the most dyed in the wool republicans could honestly say that the strange couple could be effectual in running such a damaged country.

Not to say that Obama and his people will have all of the answers, just to say that McCain and his people surely do not.

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Old 11th October 2008, 11:37   #3544 (permalink)
 
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Give us a break...

El Grifo: Either the U.S.A. IS the leader of the Free World, in which case your carping is justified, OR ELSE the U.S.A. is merely the self-proclaimed leader of the Free World, in which case you are just having a pointless whinge about something which is none of your business.

Could you take a moment to attempt stringing a few thoughts together and then tell us whether we are the leaders or not? If we are, well thanks for the compliment and do carry on! If we are not then please shift gears and tell us more about that happy little island, Cuba.

If things in the States are as bad as some folks here say they are then many Americans need to know more about things such as "How long do we have to stand in line for that pound of chicken and is it free-range?"
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Old 11th October 2008, 11:50   #3545 (permalink)
 
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"It has been my opinion for many months now that McCain and Palin"

How many months since Sarah Palin was announced as the Republican VP candidate????
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Old 11th October 2008, 11:51   #3546 (permalink)
 
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I don't really like discussing much with you chuks due to the fact that you are an extremely blinkered soul.

It is intersting however to read your "stuff"

I must ask however, why do you reply to almost every single on of my posts with some reference to CUBA.

Point taken Prospector, Palin has only been on board since August, it was McCain I was really aiming at.
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Old 11th October 2008, 12:08   #3547 (permalink)
 
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Hey El Grifo,

Well, as a "European" you cannot be British then, so that would explain why you are talking out of your derrier and making all Europeans sound idiots.

As a Briton, I can tell you that no way are the republicans finished, nor is it a done deal like most of the shams that European elections are.

So who do you think is leader of the westen wrold? certainly not those tin pots dictators of Germany and France, nor the imbecile running the UK Parliament.

We have seen what a mess Socialists can make of running European countries who then cry to the USA to get their countries out of the mire, yet you want the USA to go the same way with Socialist Obama! Acorn financing anyone? New York, New York, so good they vote twice (especially if the person is actually dead) Fanny Mae? nice job Dems.

It is the Democrats and their Socialist friends in Europe like yourself who are living in a fools paradise if they and you think that the battle is over.
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Old 11th October 2008, 12:36   #3548 (permalink)
 
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El Grifo:

You're a European, here's a challenge for you.
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I play no part in any of the process since I am European.
How about electing leaders that can harness the political power of your 350M people, convince them to ratify some form of constitution that will give you genuine combined political clout on the world stage, instead of feuding like so many spoiled children?

How about getting Norway to join the EU, tapping into their incredible oil wealth that they sit on, and, in true socialist fashion, distributing that to your poorer cousins in the south and east?

How about creating an combined joint European military force that can truly punch on the world stage. May take more than spending 2-3% of GDP on defense?

How about cleaning up your football games so that ordinary families can go to your beautiful game without fear of knives, chavs, and hooligan gangsters?

How about fixing the French health system so that tens of thousands of elderly don't die in summer heat, while millions of their countrymen lounge in cafes in Cannes, complaining about Americans?

How about convincing your intellectual class to stop taking the easy road of blaming America first, and instead fully embrace the difficult and continuing fight against totalitarianism in all its forms, just as Orwell pleaded so many years ago? (read up on it).

How about it? Do just a little of the above, and you might find that you become a "so called" world leader. No body is stopping you. You've had a pretty good start, the U.S. has helped Europe for the past 60 years, giving you peace, stability and economic prosperity for the first time in your bloody history?

And, how about cleaning up the stinking garbage pile outside of Naples? It truly is an embarrassment old boy. Oh that's right, you're not Italian...must be somebody else's problem.
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Old 11th October 2008, 12:37   #3549 (permalink)
 
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No !

I am simply saying that it is writ large for all to see.

The democrats are going to win.

Simple as that.


Chuks get back to me on your CUBA fetish pls


Deep breaths matari, deep breaths
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Old 11th October 2008, 14:51   #3550 (permalink)
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Those dirty stinkin' lying Democrats are at it again, making up more lies about White House Barbie...

My Way News - Report stings Palin over Troopergate flap

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A legislative investigator found that Palin violated state ethics laws and abused her power by trying to have her former brother-in-law fired as a state trooper...The inquiry looked into Palin's dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan, who said he lost his job because he resisted pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce and custody battle with the governor's sister. Palin says Monegan was fired as part of a legitimate budget dispute...Stephen Branchflower, a retired prosecutor hired to conduct the investigation, said Monegan's firing was lawful. But the pressure Palin and her husband put on him, he said, was not.
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Old 11th October 2008, 16:56   #3551 (permalink)
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So, let's see then.

1. She did nothing wrong in firing the commissioner - which is what she was accused of.

2. The Democratic investigator, a friend of the fired commissioner, doesn't like it that Todd Palin made a few telephone calls to him concerning Trooper Wooten. This was, supposedly, in breach of the ethics act (see definition below), because of her inaction in not stopping him making the calls. Diddums.

3. Palin offense was that, "She had the authority and power to require Mr Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act."

4. Todd Palin and was open about what he was doing - which was within the law. How, exactly, do you stop someone doing something legal, without stepping on their legal rights and free speech, when they think it's right and legal? She was supposed to do what, withdraw sexual privileges?

5. She didn't do anything illegal, he didn't do anything illegal; neither received a benefit from it - unless trying to get what you consider a bad cop fired is a benefit under the following definition.

6. She should tell them to blow it out their ass.....

Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act - definitions:

..... "benefit" means anything that is to a person's advantage or self-interest, or from which a person profits, regardless of the financial gain, including any dividend, pension, salary, acquisition, agreement to purchase, transfer of money, deposit, loan or loan guarantee, promise to pay, grant, contract, lease, money, goods, service, privilege, exemption, patronage, advantage, advancement, or anything of value;
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Old 11th October 2008, 16:58   #3552 (permalink)
 
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As Sunray Minor would say...

It's simple!

El Grifo freely admits that he's not right up to speed on what is what with the U.S.A. Heck, he doesn't even seem to realise that, Hell yes! We are the leaders of the Free World, we own the parts of the Moon with our footprints on it, small patches of Mars with crawler tracks, the halls of Tripoli, the shores of Montezuma and we even flang a probe into the deepnesses of outermost Space, just because it seemed like a good idea at the time. We bad! Anyone who cannot get his mind around that, well, I ask you!

So this troubled soul, mired in obvious confusion, why should he write about the U.S.A. when he is an acknowledged expert on that happy little socialist isle just 90 miles off our shores? Yes, Cuba!

Think about it: If misguided Cubans, not understanding how good they have it with the one pound of chicken per month and all, can make it to Florida, surely we can make it to Cuba! Q.E.D.

I haven't been back to the States in a while so that it might really be as bad as some people here say: Gunfights in the Walmart over the last can of Alpo and that for human consumption, mind you, homeless legislators sleeping in the Capitol Rotunda, horse-drawn SUVs becoming a common sight in traffic... I really couldn't say and would not presume to! No, just a few shallow japes about what I see on the satellite news and this new internet thing my co-pilot showed me how to access and that is about it for me.

In the same way I would humbly suggest that El Grifo, and Sunray Minor too, lay off the comments on this U.S.A. thing of ours, since they freely confess their puzzled ignorance of its obvious world and universal domination, and stick to the useful and productive effort of telling us more and more and more again about Cuba and Venezuela as probable havens for our fleeing millions as our sick, capitalist society implodes.

El Grifo, I must confess, it is selfishness; I know I used to try to wind you up about Cuba, and Sunray Minor about Venezuela but the joke's now on me. You win, I lose and please tell me more.

Is Cuban asylum done the same as in the States: Do I have to make it past the high-tide mark there on Varadero Beach or is it okay when my feet simply touch bottom?

What time of year is most favorable for launching a raft from Key West to make Havana?

When I denounce someone in Cuba do I automatically get credit for that or do they actually have to go to prison, sorry, re-education camp first? (Do I get their pound of chicken is what I am hinting at here and sorry to have to spell that out.)

Why wait for the election if we are all doooooomed? Get out now before it is too late!
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Old 11th October 2008, 17:32   #3553 (permalink)
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A magnanimous gesture on the part of Senator McCain and I applaud him for it.
Well, I'm not sure he's been able to put out the fire he started himself, so I guess there's no room for applaud, yet. The reactions from the Republican crows ("KILL HIM") is quite frightening and it would not be the first politician in the US (or the World) who's killed because of hate campaigns. You cannot manipulate an angry mob like that without repercusions and I think McCain realizes that now, Palin still doesn't I'm afraid.
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Old 11th October 2008, 17:33   #3554 (permalink)
 
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the tenure of George W Bush has been the most disasterous in living memory.
I take it you weren't around for the years 1964-1980? LBJ, Nixon and Carter!! Those years were marked by feckwit war-fighting, economic stagflation, massive government programs which will haunt us through the 21st century, (SS & Medicare are $53 trillion in deficit), feckless diplomacy, price controls, inflation on a scale never seen in America, and disco. Reagan gave us "Morning in America", end of inflation, strong money, freedom for Eastern Europe and pride in America. Get Real, Get Red Meat

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If Barack Hussein Obama IS elected President, call him the President representing the Chicago Daly machine and his one employer, ACORN:

Voter Fraud in PA
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Old 11th October 2008, 17:44   #3556 (permalink)

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Call it bad luck or bad judgement, call it whatever you like, in my view, the tenure of George W Bush has been the most disastrous in living memory.
Now, now GF, perhaps he is talking about his living memory, as we have no idea how old he is.

I must agree with you, how can anyone forget the disastrous administrations of LBJ, Nixon and Carter.
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I disagree on one point!

Disco came in in the early Sixties under Johnson. It was a federal program, part of the Great Society, I believe.

In fact, I distinctly remember seeing a photo of the elder Johnson daughter dancing with Killer Joe Piro, the noted dancer in a New York City disco, the Lead Balloon or something like that. (She was the tall, homely one in an ugly dress, with a bee-hive hairdo and he was the short, ugly one wearing bell-bottom pants and we complain now about Britney Spears? Get a grip, people! It has been worse!)

Johnson was a trip! Remember him holding his beagle up by its ears for a photo opp, or the time he showed the world his flabby gut's scar? His initials were L.B.J., his wife's initials were L.B.J., his daughters' initials were BOTH L.B.J. and even the dog's initials were L.B.J. for Little Beagle Johnson! Shy, modest and retiring, a typical son of Texas yet you lot whine about George W. Bush. Pah!
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Old 11th October 2008, 17:58   #3558 (permalink)

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Chuks, don't forget that other semi-famous Texan, Governor Hogg, named his daughters, Ima Hogg, Ura Hogg and Bea Hogg.
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Old 11th October 2008, 18:12   #3559 (permalink)
 
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Early in Johnson's career one of his political opponents was found shot to death in rural South Texas.

When a reporter asked the local sheriff how he could have ruled the death a suicide, when the body contained five bullet holes, the sheriff replied:

"Son, that is the most determined suicide I have ever seen.."
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Old 11th October 2008, 18:22   #3560 (permalink)
 
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Chuks

Whilst I realize this clearly something between you and I and of no interest to others on the forum, I feel I must question what it is that you are on about.

I mean
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El Grifo freely admits that he's not right up to speed on what is what with the U.S.A.
Just where do you get that from ?


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El Grifo, I must confess, it is selfishness; I know I used to try to wind you up about Cuba, and Sunray Minor about Venezuela but the joke's now on me. You win, I lose and please tell me more.
Sounds like you are still at it. WHY is the question which I would like answered.

And so it drones on :-
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Is Cuban asylum done the same as in the States: Do I have to make it past the high-tide mark there on Varadero Beach or is it okay when my feet simply touch bottom?

What time of year is most favorable for launching a raft from Key West to make Havana?

When I denounce someone in Cuba do I automatically get credit for that or do they actually have to go to prison, sorry, re-education camp first? (Do I get their pound of chicken is what I am hinting at here and sorry to have to spell that out.)
Sorry but I simply fail to see the connection.

Apologies to everyone else here but this guy needs to sort himself out.
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