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Old 10th October 2008, 06:27   #3501 (permalink)
 
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Oh, and no, I don't see the humor in people losing their jobs, homes and retirements.

Oh, for Pete's sake, GTF... you need a humor transfusion. No one is saying the dire situation is funny. The link of Barney Frank, his boyfriend and Broke Bank Mountain is just political humor that resonates with truth.

Boggles my mind that in one breath you make a reference that there's enough blame to go around. I guess that's your way of saying, yes...the Dems do share some blame. But there you go, linking it to the Republican party only, once again. It's Bull$#it. BOTH parties are to blame. And they are right now as we get deeper in debt.

If anyone was paying attention to the economic climate when Clinton left, they would have seen the GWB took over a legacy that already was on this very slippery slope. Neither Clinton nor Bush managed to change the course--despite several members of both parties pointing to the vulnerability of the conditions. Much like the dot.com, only worse, the basis for what was taking place in the sub-prime market was BAD business--plain and simple and the momentum was already in place 8+ yrs ago. It just got worse because GWB focused more on the war and depended on bandaids for the economy. Mistakes? Oh, yes. Plenty of 'em. I lost respect for Bush within minutes of his second term when he seemed to evaporate.

Doesn't it infuriate you that both parties are STILL shoveling billions into this broken institution, with failing results? At what point do the citizens have a say in stopping it? (over half of the people polled were against the bailout!) The gov't needs to let Wall Street bottom out on its own so it can rebuild itself piece by piece. But the brief cases full of money, going to both parties on the Capitol steps, are feeding this frenzy and I'm so fed up I'm seriously considering voting Libertarian just to send a message.

Damn...I need a glass of wine now.
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Old 10th October 2008, 08:12   #3502 (permalink)
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Investors Business Daily: Is ACORN Stealing The Election?

Election Fraud: A radical group Barack Obama used to work for is committing voter-registration fraud in several states, ahead of the election. What does Obama know about this scam?

It's a legitimate question to raise now that the FBI has raided the offices of the nonprofit Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now in Nevada and North Carolina, two states where Obama and John McCain are running neck-and-neck.

ACORN has registered bogus voters in both states. The group's voter-registration fraud is rampant, and authorities plan a nationwide sweep of ACORN offices to collect records.

In Nevada, state officials say the fraudulent registrations included forms for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team, including quarterback Tony Romo. "Romo is not registered to vote in the state of Nevada," Secretary of State Ross Miller said, "and anybody trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot on Nov. 4."

While those names will be flagged on Election Day, felonious voters may have better luck using other cutouts. Nevada, along with several other key battleground states, requires no ID to vote.

In North Carolina, where Obama has been running nonstop ads, ACORN has registered a record number of new voters, many of them suspicious. Statewide, Democrats are doing better than the GOP in new converts — even in traditionally Republican counties. There have been 218,749 newly registered Democrats in North Carolina since January — more than five times the 38,337 new Republicans, state records show. The numbers show a startlingly close political battle even in Republican-dominated Union County, with 4,233 new voters registering as Democrats and 4,362 as Republicans. In previous election years, new Republicans have outnumbered Democrats 2-to-1 in the fast-growing Charlotte-area county.

In Missouri, one ACORN registrant named Monica Rays showed up on no less than eight forms, all bearing the same signature. Suspicious election officials sent letters to some 5,000 ACORN registrants in St. Louis, asking the letter recipients to contact them. Fewer than 40 reponded.

In Kansas City, 15,000 registrations have been questioned, and last year four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud. In addition, ACORN officials have also been indicted in Wisconsin and Colorado. Investigations against others are active in Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and Tennessee. ACORN has also been registering convicted felons — including inmates — in Florida and other battleground states. ACORN boasts registering a record 1.5 million new voters so far this election.

What does all this have to do with Obama, besides the fact that he'd be the beneficiary of most, if not all, of these new votes?

For starters, Obama paid ACORN, which has endorsed him for president, $800,000 to register new voters, payments his campaign failed to accurately report. (They were disguised in his FEC disclosure as payments to a front group called Citizen Services Inc. for "advance work.")

What's more, Obama worked as executive director of ACORN's voter-registration arm, Project Vote, in 1992. Joined by two other community organizers on Chicago's South Side, Obama conducted the voter-registration drive that helped elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the Senate that year.

The next year, 1993, Obama joined the civil-rights law firm Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland, where he sued the state of Illinois on behalf of ACORN to implement the federal "Motor Voter" law, which the GOP governor at the time refused to do. Then-Gov. Jim Edgar argued, presciently, that the Clinton law would invite voter fraud.

Obama downplays his ties to ACORN, and his campaign denies coordinating with ACORN to register voters.

Meantime, New Orleans-based ACORN maintains that it has no control over volunteers who are falsifying application forms, that they're like employees who steal from the store. But the fraud is widespread and not isolated. It also turns out that some ACORN execs allegedly are involved in a $1 million embezzlement cover-up at their headquarters. Representing them in the case is none other than Michelle Obama's old law firm in Chicago.

ACORN's corruption is not just out in the field, as they claim. There's a pattern of corruption from the top down.

McCain would be wise to start preparing a challenge to voter registration rolls should he lose the race in a close contest. He'd be crazy not to contest the results in light of these events.
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Old 10th October 2008, 08:53   #3503 (permalink)
 
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If we as crew flew a 747 the way that the US government operates we would kill everyone before we did V1.
Isn't that the truth!

If pilots flew and controllers separated aircraft like our leaders led (not just the USA) we'd be in jail.

Spare a thought for the Japanese today.
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Old 10th October 2008, 09:28   #3504 (permalink)
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More ACORN vote fraud...

CNN: Thousands of voter registration forms faked, officials say

CROWN POINT, Indiana (CNN) -- More than 2,000 voter registration forms filed in northern Indiana's Lake County by a liberal activist group this week have turned out to be bogus, election officials said Thursday. The group -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN -- already faces allegations of filing fraudulent voter registrations in Nevada and faces investigations in other states.

And in Lake County, home to the long-depressed steel town of Gary, the bipartisan Elections Board has stopped processing a stack of about 5,000 applications delivered just before the October 6 registration deadline after the first 2,100 turned out to be phony. "All the signatures looked exactly the same," Ruthann Hoagland, a Republican on the board. "Everything on the card filled out looks exactly the same."

The forms included registrations submitted in the names of the dead -- and in one case, the name of a fast-food restaurant, Jimmy Johns. Sally LaSota, a Democrat on the board, called the forms fraudulent and said whoever filed them broke the law.....

CNN was unable to reach ACORN officials in Gary and in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where the group's Indiana operation is based. Offices in both cities were empty when reporters visited.

Lake County elections officials have set aside all 5,000 of the ACORN-submitted applications in what Hoagland called the "fake pile" for later review. But she said every one will be reviewed before the election to make sure no legitimate voters are skipped.....
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Old 10th October 2008, 10:32   #3505 (permalink)
 
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They have their rights...

The non-existent! (Iowahawk has said it better but why shouldn't I steal that?)

Yes, we have a new group of disadvantaged citizens who must have their voting rights respected, those who lack a corporeal existence.

It seems like yesterday I was asking my little Communist housemate about one of her pamphlets, a little number with a violently coloured yellow and red cover that told the story of how Tan Son Nhut Airport had been raped and pillaged by the valiant patriotic forces of the National Liberation Front, ably assisted by the People's Liberation Army of the Democratic Republic of Viet Nam.

It was a rousing tale with the only problem I could see being that I had been there at the time and must have missed all of this. Yeah, a few rockets and mortars hit the base but that was about it; for us inside the wire "Tet" was almost a non-event.

She gave a dignified sniff and told me that, well, her pamphlet simply showed things "the way they should have happened", as if I were too thick to appreciate that point. Who needs reality when you have vision?

Here and now, if these voters exist then they surely should vote for Barack Obama so that they deserve to be counted. Q.E.D. To quibble over whether they exist or not is to miss the point.

Think of all those other people who would vote for Barack Obama but for being disenfranchised due to insanity, multiple felonies, "three strikes and you are out" hubcap theft and other such things that The Man uses to keep the righteous down. This is simply an elegant way to make up for them and make our political process more fair. Texas used to do this for dead Mexicans, I believe.

P.S. I note with interest that Barack Obama went on record recently as saying that he was trying to quit smoking and that one good way to do that was to refrain from having a cigarette at the usual times for that.

Of course I immediately began thinking of that old "Do you smoke after sex?" joke but the Messiah only cited the first cigarette in the morning and something else as boring as that for his examples.

I guess some brave reporter will have to ask Michelle about this, with the cameras rolling one assumes. Here you lefties had been thinking it will just have to be McCain who flips out but I guess you are all wrong! Keep watching Fox News for the answer to the latest burning question of Campaign 2008, "Michelle: Homicidal lunatic or just stressed-out?" after, "Sarah Palin: How DOES she look naked?"

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This is a classic!
the Dems will want this removed ASAP. Too close to the truth!

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Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns were allowed to fail.

Merrill Lynch, AIG got rescued.

Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs received approval to convert overnight into simple bank holding companies.

The current GWB-appointed US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, formerly CEO of Goldman Sachs should perhaps be asked to explain why Lehman got totalled yet Goldman Sachs was allowed to live. Inside information perhaps...?!

We should be told.
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Old 10th October 2008, 16:57   #3508 (permalink)
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The current GWB-appointed US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson,
Happy hour already?


President Bush nominated Sec. Paulson, he was confirmed by the Democratic controlled Senate.

Dang, I hate those factual details. They just get in the way of a good alcoholic frothing of the lips, don't they?

Perhaps a nice lie-down to sleep it off?

The current economic crisis must be playing hell with your yacht sales. Think of the poor cats and weep...
 
Old 10th October 2008, 17:08   #3509 (permalink)
 
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It's hard to admit that such brilliance came out of the State of Texas.

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What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said “I do” to?

What if Obama were the candidate who started dating a woman before he was separated from his first wife, and then left his crippled first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
What would be the headline at Fox News ? What would Rush Limbaugh and his imitators be saying ?

There's more. Much more. I'm proud to say a fellow controller has it on his blog.

The race...and race.

I said it before, Hate & Fear. That is what the Republican Party has become -- the party of Hate & Fear. And that is all they have to offer.

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McCain says if all you run is negative attack ads, you must not have a vision for the future, or you can’t articulate it.

Yet McCain’s advertising for the week ending October 4th is… almost 100% negative.

The reality of the campaign is that McCain’s team has chosen to go all negative, all the time. That means saying nasty things about Obama, and whether they like it or not, that means they’re intentionally inflaming racial tensions and issues.
Al Gore, a Vietnam vet, won the Nobel prize -- yet was mocked by the Republican Party.

John Kerry was wounded in combat -- yet was sneered at by the Republican Party.

Do you see the Democratic Party mocking or sneering at John McCain's service ?

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What if one of Obama’s daughters were 17, unmarried, and pregnant? How do you think people would be thinking and talking about that? What, if anything, would the Republicans and Fox News be saying about it?
Hate & Fear. And look at what it got us. "W"

Had enough ?

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Old 10th October 2008, 17:22   #3510 (permalink)
 
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David Frum -- National Review Online

"I’ll be voting for John McCain on November 4."

"We conservatives are sending a powerful, inadvertent message with this negative campaign against Barack Obama's associations and former associations: that we lack a positive agenda of our own and that we don’t care about the economic issues that are worrying American voters."

"Those who press this Ayers line of attack are whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that is going to be very hard to calm after November. Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for a man who may well be the next president of the United States, incidentally the first African-American president? Anger is a very bad political adviser. It can isolate us and push us to the extremes at exactly the moment when we ought to be rebuilding, rethinking, regrouping and recruiting.

I’m not suggesting that we remit our opposition to a hypothetical President Obama. Only that an outgunned party will need to stay cool. A big part of Obama’s appeal is his self-command. It’s a genuinely impressive quality. Let’s emulate it. We’ll be needing it."


Hate & Fear. Even the conservatives recognize it -- and how dangerous and stupid it is.

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Everyone of those actions is going to lead us into a FDR-style Depression for the same reason-bad economic policies.
It's no wonder you can't keep your history straight, GF.
WTF do you mean?

Oh, and that wonderful Social Security and Medicare is now $53 Trillion dollars in deficit or $455,000 per American household-how's your half-million doing?

I'm not sneering at your Fed retirement-I have TWO and I'm worried about the solvency of them. You should be too, especially with BHO's economics.

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Warming to your theme of Hate & Fear, I bring you Louis Farrakhan who has endorsed BHO as the "Messiah"; so feel free to call that.

Further considering the effects of Obama's faulty economics and government ideas, including broad tax increases, trade restrictions and the like, the market is down another 400 points, as I write.

"The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools."

Herbert Spencer 1820-1903

Shielding men from the effects of folly has been the US government's goal since 1933. "Compassionate conservatism" and "feel your pain" (you can figure the pols responsible for those ideas) are only the latest in folly that has given us fools for citizens. Flying hasn't helped, but Barbados might.

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Tangential, but somehow related:

Thank you for the Herbert Spencer quote. I could have used it in another context - Murphy proofing - in my design engineering career.
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Genuine question folks

Sat here across the pond, a Brit and no expert on these matter I watched the debate a couple of nights ago and thought McCain's continued use of "my friend" when answering questions made him sound a lot like a snake oil salesman........just my thoughts but how did that play out for you guys who get to cast a vote?
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Old 10th October 2008, 20:39   #3515 (permalink)
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Badly.

McCain came across as stiff and ill at ease. Obama was much better in his presentation.

Neither said anything of substance, but neither stepped on their respective cranks which was probably the goal.

There are radio parodies of McCain's overuse of "My friends" which are pretty good.

McCain needed to perform better and he didn't.
 
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You are not a man who appears to afraid of "stepping up to the plate" Brick.

Who do you think is most likely to win this forthcoming election.

No waffle, just straight choice based on performance, perception and presentation up to this point.

Shoot !
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Old 10th October 2008, 21:10   #3517 (permalink)
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If tomorrow, I'd call it for Obama, but no more than 53-47.

Fortunately, it's not tomorrow.

I wish there were a more conservative candidate than McCain, but better him than the too far left Obama for my vote.
 
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Whilst brick was mulling that over, I suddenly found myself asking just how 'wheechair-friendly' the White House really is? FDR appeared to get by there, but I haven't heard any Republicans pose the question recently, and I guess we'd all like to know.
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Whilst brick is mulling that over, does anyone know how 'wheechair-friendly' the White House really is? FDR appeared to get by there, but I haven't heard any Republicans pose the question recently, and I guess we'd all like to know.
Very cute airship.

How about some Obamaisque jokes on how McCain cannot use a computer; while you're on roll that is.
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I just got through reading Paul Krugman's column for today.

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"Last month, when the U.S. Treasury Department allowed Lehman Brothers to fail, I wrote that Henry Paulson, the Treasury secretary, was playing financial Russian roulette. Sure enough, there was a bullet in that chamber: Lehman’s failure caused the world financial crisis, already severe, to get much, much worse.

./.

What should be done? The United States and Europe should just say “Yes, prime minister.” The British plan isn’t perfect, but there’s widespread agreement among economists that it offers by far the best available template for a broader rescue effort.

And the time to act is now. You may think that things can’t get any worse — but they can, and if nothing is done in the next few days, they will."
Then I walked in to get a drink of tea, only to hear John McCain talking about the funding for some planetarium Obama is tied to somehow.

It's the epitome of what is occuring right now. The industiralized world is staring into the abyss and McCain is throwing dirt that he hasn't managed to get to in the last 20 months. And the folks on the Boobtube are all too willing to let us listen to the fiddle playing while Rome burns.

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"I think that folks are looking for something different. It’s easy to rile up a crowd by stoking anger and division. But that’s not what we need right now in the United States. The times are too serious. The challenges are too great. The American people aren’t looking for someone who can divide this country – they’re looking for someone who will lead it. We’re in a serious crisis - now, more than ever, it is time to put country ahead of politics. Now, more than ever, it is time to bring change to Washington so that it works for the people of this country that we love."

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Hate & Fear or Change & Hope ? It's that simple. It's that complicated.

It's gut check time.

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