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Old 23rd September 2008, 08:44   #2841 (permalink)
 
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Old 23rd September 2008, 08:56   #2842 (permalink)
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Bill Clinton's on Obama's side.....I think

Bill Clinton says he understands Palin's appeal

NEW YORK (AP) — Bill Clinton said Monday he understands why Sarah Palin is popular in the heartland: because people relate to her.

"I come from Arkansas, I get why she's hot out there," Clinton said. "Why she's doing well."

Speaking to reporters before his Clinton Global Initiative meeting, the former president described Palin's appeal by adding, "People look at her, and they say, 'All those kids. Something that happens in everybody's family. I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her. Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend. Glad they're going to get married.'"

Clinton said voters would think, "I like that little Down syndrome kid. One of them lives down the street. They're wonderful children. They're wonderful people. And I like the idea that this guy does those long-distance races. Stayed in the race for 500 miles with a broken arm. My kind of guy."

Palin, the governor of Alaska, became an overnight star when Republican presidential candidate John McCain tapped her for his running mate. Her family, including her Down syndrome baby, Trig, her pregnant 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, and her husband, Todd, four-time winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snowmobile race, have garnered intense media interest.

"I get this," Clinton said. "My view is ... why say, ever, anything bad about a person? Why don't we like them and celebrate them and be happy for her elevation to the ticket? And just say that she was a good choice for him and we disagree with them?"
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Old 23rd September 2008, 09:05   #2843 (permalink)
 
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Haven't studied this thread.

What a bizzare, wasteful, comedic circus the whole thing is, though (I mean the election, not this thread......or do I mean this thread?).

One candidate demonstrates a propensity for crashing military aeroplanes, another knows absolutely nothing about foreign affairs.

One candidate chosses a running mate who is a proven liar, another chooses one only fractionally capable of acting as President if so called upon.

Still, we had Bliar and Prescott and it didn't do us any har.........OK, bad example.

Its all going down the pan.

Add in $690bn bankruptcies and Government bailouts due to unbelievable incompetence and greed and it all becomes laughable.

Move over and let the Chinese rule the planet. In fact, no need to move over, they'll be pushing you aside before long.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 11:57   #2844 (permalink)
 
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Old 23rd September 2008, 14:03   #2845 (permalink)
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So, McCain does well and he's 'elitist?' Serves his country (by the way for the poster above you with 'propensity to crash airplanes' crack. Do a search on where and how McCain lost those airplanes: hint - A-1s, an
A-4 on the USS Forrestal, and his last A-4 over North Vietnam. Get back to us with your report if you dare), makes money, married a beauty queen beer heiress, and enjoys the fruits of that life?

Obama propelled himself from sparse circumstances to become wealthy. I've no problem with that either. His role-playing is a bit much; there's never been anyone with their whole life geared toward winning the leading role, in my opinion.

That is one of the essential things that bothers me so about Obama. There is no soul, no character, no 'nothing' within him.

Add in his lack of published policies and rapid change of the positions he does take and he's not the guy.

But if he loses, I'm betting you and every other Obama supporter, ESPECIALLY the foreign crowd, will say it was because he's black and not anything like the reasons mentioned above.

Once again reinforcing the 'victim' mentality.
 
Old 23rd September 2008, 14:17   #2846 (permalink)
 
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When I look at Obama and McCain talking about the economy they're not half as direct and clear as Ron Paul as far as I can tell. If there ever was a country in need of economic guidance more than anything, and some people still want McCain and Palin to lead? I don't understand the appeal.

Ron Paul on the other hand is no-nonsense, talking about the economy from a realistic point of view. To me he seems to stand for the actual republican values and not just big business interests. He believes in small goverment, healthy balanced budgets, a true value to the dollar, keeping inflation down, not living on paper money created out of thin air, not borrowing for expenses all the time. He's critical of the fed, which is something that is never discussed. Why does the US pay interest to a non-governmental bank for it's own currency, a bank that the tax payers have no insight in? How that benefits the citizens I'll never know. Why can't the US handle it's own money supply without the FED, without the interest? The dollar devaluation has been like a runaway train since they decoupled it from gold, ruining the purchasing power. Why is this never discussed by the two candidates? McCain was heard stating that the economy is fundamentally sound just days ago, that doesn't seem right with a 700 billion bailout in the works does it?

I would love to hear from someone who intends to vote for McCain, and get an understanding of it because I can't figure it out. Palin, well.. she doesn't matter. Would you want to be stuck with her as president if McCain croaks though, I'm not so sure. She doesn't seem to know much, she just knows what to say to get ahead and get her way. On the actual issues namely economy and foreign policy she's a dud so far.

Put Paul in the white house and make Peter Schiff responsible for the budget. That surely can't be any worse than what Obama/McCain have on offer.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 14:54   #2847 (permalink)
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Gnirren, the Ron Paul train has sailed (mixed metaphors acknowledged). As a Republican, he did not win the nomination, therefore will not be on the ticket.

The only two candidates with viable chances of becoming President are McCain and Obama.

I will be voting for McCain because he's not Obama. That's about the extent of my support for him personally.

I respect his military record and most of his Senate record. He's too centrist for me and has adopted more right tendencies for this campaign, but he's still too centrist.

Obama, on the other hand, is out and out leftist at least on the positions he does articulate. He doesn't put out many with any details. Combine him with a Pelosi and Reid led House and Senate and I think it will be chaotic, at best.

I'd rather have gridlock via a Republican President and Democratic Congress or on the small chance that the Republicans do gain a majority in one or both of the legislatures, a more right-ist national body than I would a left-leaning one.

Gov Palin's selection was a brilliant campaign tactic to shake things up and pit some of the Democratic tricks against themselves. She's the VP candidate, not the Presidential one. Biden, likewise, was brought in to shore up Obama's lack of foreign policy experience, in other words, a gimmick as well.

Historically, the VP is unimportant to the race.
 
Old 23rd September 2008, 15:03   #2848 (permalink)
 
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Yes I understand that the ship has indeed sailed. What surprises me is that it did I suppose.

Paul still makes appearances on a regular basis bringing up these points I included though, and it all seems to fall of deaf ears for some reason. Would you not agree that these are pertinent issues? These bailouts amount to putting out fires, Ron Paul advocates making sure that the fires don't start. It is curious to me how little time is spent on the points he raises.

While I don't think that his military career has any bearing on McCain's ability to be president I can appreciate your point of view.

One thing is for sure, it's going to be very entertaining all the way through to election day.
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If Ron Paul or any of his colleagues were leading in the polls, I would gear up to become a demolition contractor. There is nothing Paul would like better than to blow up the edifices of 2/3 the extra-constitutional agencies in DC, improve the properties by creating landfills on them, and give the displaced workers two weeks' retraining so they could find productive employment.

(I can hear the responses now: "Why don't you say what you really mean?")
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Old 23rd September 2008, 15:51   #2850 (permalink)
 
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If I were king:

I would outlaw air conditioning with a 100-mile radius of the seat of government. It is no mere coincidence that before a/c was available, our federal government was a far smaller chunk of the American GDP.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 16:44   #2851 (permalink)
 
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I'd even go to Operator's School, give up this flying gig (as much fun as it is ) to join you for 6 months.

Yes, Gnirren, Ron Paul for President!!, but Americans are too surrendered to the nanny state to vote for liberty from the Feds.

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Old 23rd September 2008, 17:47   #2852 (permalink)
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Ron Paul actually does have good reasoning on some issues. He supports the gold standard which tends to keep the government and economy honest about what their revenues and costs are. But Ron Paul, like Ross Perot before him, is a one-trick pony in an environment where many tricks are required. Anyone so self-sure of having all the answers, "It's that simple!", probably doesn't have many answers at all. That's why Ron Paul never gained traction, and Ross Perot fizzled out.

People, particularly those like PanPan and now gnirren and many others are always looking for a new messiah to lead us out of the wilderness, but scrutiny tends to dissolve the momentum of their rush to hoist the new boss on their shoulders, and they slink away to look for the next great hope.

I see the momentum for Obama earlier this year in much the same way, but I don't know for sure if the slinking part will come before or after the election.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 18:10   #2853 (permalink)
 
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Old 23rd September 2008, 18:43   #2854 (permalink)
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Dang, but Joe Biden is on a real roll, he deserves a thread of his own! Dan Quayle couldn't hold a light to this boy...

Frankie Roosevelt got on the television and.....

Joe rewrites the history of the Great depression, the list of US Presidents and the discovery of TV all in one go....

Joe Biden's being interviewed by Katie Couric and speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis:

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, "Look, here's what happened.'"

No coal plants in America

Joe becomes the ultimate EcoWarrier.

Video from Joe Biden's recent Ohio swing, where he was asked by an anti-pollution campaigner about clean coal. Biden's apparent answer: He supports clean coal for China, but not for the United States.

"No coal plants here in America," he said. "Build them, if they're going to build them, over there. Make them clean. We’re not supporting clean coal," he said of himself and Obama.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 18:47   #2855 (permalink)
 
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People, particularly those like PanPan and now gnirren and many others are always looking for a new messiah to lead us out of the wilderness
Hahahahahaha, jeesus that made me laugh out loud.

You're my messiah Benny, didn't you know that
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Old 23rd September 2008, 18:54   #2856 (permalink)
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You flatter me too much, my faithful servant, but I accept the mantle and say unto you and all ye brethren, "Go forth and divide".
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Old 23rd September 2008, 19:40   #2857 (permalink)
 
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Jeez, the voices in my head say go forth and procreate. You've received a much higher calling and from above the waist at that.
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Old 23rd September 2008, 19:53   #2858 (permalink)
 
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Did I hear Biden right...he "invented" global warming 22 years ago with the first global warming bill introduced into Congress? We worried about Global Cooling then. At about 25 seconds in.

Read George Will's column today..nearly endorses Obama He really doesn't like McCain. I'm still holding my nose, but this whole campaign could come off the rails with this bailout deal. Everybody looking ugly, except Sarah, of course.

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Old 23rd September 2008, 21:14   #2859 (permalink)
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Perhaps you didn't see my post about who voted for it in the Economics thread? Game, set and match perhaps?

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My dear ORAC, which game? I know it's hard for you to follow but I was referring to this message:

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ORAC, orac, orac....this vote was a vote on the conference report, which took place 6 months after the bill had already passed in the senate, and just over a week before it was signed into law. The bill was not passed 90-8; it was passed 54-44, almost strictly down party lines, look at this page. And look again under the names of Biden and McCain.
You simply are using the wrong link

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Old 23rd September 2008, 21:30   #2860 (permalink)
 
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How does one put in a link?? And disguise as "here"?

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