Welfare ? Entitlement plans ? What do you call a trillion dollar bailout of Wall Street ?
First, get your figures straight, it could go as high as a trillion dollars, second, those figures of 85 billion/1 trillion dollars would be expended if, and this is a big if, all the mortgages and loans go into default.
All of them.
Now, Obama and Biden have promised, if elected they will give, not loan, but give 50 billion dollars to the UN poverty fund. That is more than 50% of the 85 billion bailout loan which has a good chance of not costing that much when all is said and done.
No, it is the same as opening a manhole cover and throwing 50 billion dollars away, with no expection of any return of the money.
How is Obama going to pay for that additional 50 billion dollars, by increasing taxes. By raising taxes where ever he can. Remember, this UN give away is just one of his many entitlement plans.
Seeing he is so in love with Europe, that means higher fuel taxes and creating a European VAT.
I'll be honest with you GTF, I don't like Obama or McCain, McCain just happens to the lesser of the two evils.
And as for whom to blame for this mess; both parties and every President since Nixon when the first bailout happened. Shoot, even Obama is running around saying "Let's not play the blame game.", because he knows that the Democrats are just as guilty as the Republicans on this one.
(If you're curious, of all the people that ran for President this year, the ones I liked the best was Richardson for the Democrats and Giuliana for the Republicans. And to be honest there would have been an excellent chance I would have voted for Richardson. But instead, we get Obama and McCain. Go figure.)
Maybe I should really post this in TRABB, but what the hell, thought I'd stick my neck out in here.....
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For anyone that didn’t know. John McCain was at the bottom of his military class at Annapolis, but still got to pilot a fighter plan due to his father’s connections. He is the son and the grandson of admirals. He finished 894 of 899 in his graduating class. Despite crashing five aircrafts, John McCain was never disciplined. And son-of-single-mother Obama is, of course, the privileged elitist.
No, he ejected because he was hungry for watery under cooked rice and fish heads. Oh, also he never had both arms broken at the same time before and wanted to see what it was like.
*SIGH*
For those of you who didn't attend U.S. service academies... when I went to mine, the attrition rate for my class was 47%. 25 years earlier when John McCain went to Annapolis, it was likely higher than that. Class standing has very little correlation to one's performance as an officer except perhaps in the case of George Armstrong Custer, who graduated last in his West Point class.
John McCain did indeed lose 5 aircraft. The first three were A-1 Skyraiders, AKA Spad. This is not a fighter. This is a single radial-engine propeller-driven ground attack aircraft that was almost 20 years old when he started flying it. Its role was to fly at low-level and shoot the bejabbers out of things on the ground, mostly. It also carried bombs. It had a high attrition rate as well. Of the 3,180 aircraft produced, well over 400 of them met an untimely demise. McCain crashed two and one struck a wire. If he should have been disciplined or not, your guess is as good as mine, I have no idea of the circumstances. 'Privileged' naval aviators didn't fly the Spad... they flew fighters, which were indeed jets. In SE Asia, 266 A-1s were lost due to all causes, precisely 8 of those were shot down.
The Spad was phased out in the 60's and John McCain went to the A-4 Skyhawk, which was the normal transition as the carrier navy transitioned to jets. The A-4 is not a fighter. It is an attack airplane, a highly wing-loaded single-engine carrier-based bomber.
The 4th aircraft John McCain 'lost' was parked on the deck of the USS Forrestal when a Zuni rocket on a F-4 (this is a fighter, hence the 'F' designation) launched due to what is believed to be an electrical surge during a switch from external to aircraft power and flew across the deck and struck the full external fuel tank on either McCain's A-4 or LCDR Fred D. White's A-4, which spread fuel all over the flight deck which ignited. The resulting fire cooked off ordnance on White's aircraft, killing him. McCain managed to escape his cockpit and climb out on the nose of his aircraft and further out on the refueling probe, which he jumped off. He was struck by fragments attempting to rescue another pilot.
Ultimately, the fire burned about a full day and killed 134 men and injured 161. The ship was laid up in the yards for about a year and dozens of aircraft aboard the carrier were pushed overboard or otherwise stricken from the naval register, not just McCain's. McCain requested and was transferred to USS Oriskany. It was while serving aboard Oriskany that McCain's A-4 was struck by a SAM in N. Vietnam.
The Forrestal fire resulted in changes in fuel used aboard carriers, ordnance handling techniques, and lesson learned from the Forrestal fire are still used to this day in naval firefighting courses because of mistakes made during the fighting of that fire. The ship was very nearly lost. I've watched the films more times than I can count.
Did YOU EVER take-off in ANY kind of aircraft from a carrier and land-on again, and did YOU EVER fly ANY kind aircraft on a war mission over heavily-defended territory? The broken arms, the refusal of repatriation, and the five years we can leave aside.
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With all of the information and disinformation about GWB's military career, it would be nice to hear some solid facts instead of the usual "Hollywood re-write".
For the first time in a generation, most major US business sectors are donating more campaign money to Democrats than to Republicans, according to a political fund-raising watchdog group.
What part of this do you find confusing ORAC ? Somebody questioned why Obama was out raising McCain the other day -- like there had to be something shady going on. These business guys aren't stupid. They know the election is all but over too. They're just trying to protect their access to power like they always do. If Ralph Nader was going to win the election he'd be able to raise more money than anyone else.
It's going to be a BIG year for the Democrats and everybody knows it -- including businesses that need to buy access to power.
Don Brown
P.S. Half of writing is just doing it often enough to where you get lucky. "Raising McCain". Remember...you heard it here first.
With all of the information and disinformation about GWB's military career, it would be nice to hear some solid facts instead of the usual "Hollywood re-write".
El,
John McCain is the real deal when it comes to his military service.
I, personally, don't think questioning it should come into play. Asking is fine...it's the only way to know.
Questioning a candidate's military service was the last election.
"Elitist" is still used -- until the Republicans need an elitist to win.
Femi-Nazi was used -- not so much since the Republicans need Sarah Palin to win.
It's the Republican specialty -- inventing words of derision -- and they're really good at it. "Community organizer" is now "tainted". There's nothing noble about trying to help out poor people -- people that have lost for jobs.
If you really want to dig into it, it isn't hard. A lot of it comes from Rush Limbaugh and his 14 million "ditto heads". I assume you've heard of him.
...There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they (Obama's parents) got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.
What do you think? Although he doesn't explicitly, unequivocally say so, a person hearing these words is very likely to conclude that the 2008 Democratic presidential candidate was born sometime after the 1965 Selma march.
Only a complete dribbling cone-head , or a Democrat, would dispute John McCain's military record. By the way, being in the bottom 5 of your class at Annapolis still puts you above 95% of the population, that's why we have Bell curves, someone has to anchor the left hand edge.
Those who question his record are still fighting the last election. When Kerry stacked up against GWB it was logical to trade shots over their respective Vietnam experiences - or lack thereof. The Rove/Goebbels propaganda machine then showed the Dems what happens if you bring a knife to a gunfight. Like anyone cares if it's all lies, as long as you get the soundbites and your oxycontin crazed talk show hosts repeat it often enough.
This time HRH Obama doesn't have ,or even need ,a war record but still the slack jawed amoeba running the Dems campaign think it's smart to bad mouth one of the few war heroes who can still earn popular respect. McCain's war record has little relevance to restoring this country to its former position in both the economic and geographic world, and focusing on it is just one more example of all the politicians avoiding the real issues because they simply have no answers.
Accept that McCain is a man of honor, integrity and determination, but then ask "so what?". If those are not the bare minimum personal qualities for the next Commander in Chief we will end up in the same mess again. Start asking him and Obama what the hell they are going to do to fix this country.
Who really gives a $hit whether single teenagers can get abortions while buying semi automatic weapons and ensuring that no license plates have "In God we trust" on them, all the while jobs are disappearing, China owns our manufacturing base and the Government (read taxpayer) just bought out my 401K?
Those Left wingers shouting the praises of the Democrats might want to read this somewhat prescient article in the NY Times...from 1999...and ponder the recent economic woes on Wall St.
I found the article at the link an interesting insight into the U.S. Naval Academy by a contemporary of John McCain's who did not attend the place. It may be of some value in understanding various aspects of the man. Then again, it may not.
Dick Stratton in the early 80's was my brother-in-law's boss. During that period, my b-i-l also met James Stockdale. At the same time, his direct supervisor was one Major James Mattis, USMC. He has stated on numerous occasions that all three men had major influence on his development as a leader and a man. The Boat School Boys by Dick Stratton
While there are other links on this same site that cast John McCain in a negative light in Vietnam, I leave you all to make your own judgments about who is telling the truth and who has an axe to grind. Frankly, I don't know. Those who were there are really the only ones who can reveal what John McCain is or isn't, and of course, at the end of the day in many cases, the only person who knows anything about it is John McCain himself. It is striking to me that those who are around and can make comment pretty nearly universally speak highly of the man. These include Bud Day, Dick Stratton, and others.
As Two's In points out, none of this, regardless of what may be true indicates whether as president someone who had these experiences will be able to save one's 401k, but in the end, most of us tend to vote for those who we believe are most like ourselves and who we believe will act with our interests in mind, or perhaps is most like the self that we hope that we are. Only each individual voter can determine that.
Hey, folks, you want to tweak the Drive-By Media with me right now?
You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states.You
heard this? And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.' You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out there and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it. Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states, he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.
Well, I have here a printout from a web site called the International Humanist and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on that website begins... 'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented a resolution to the United Nations Commission on human rights called combating.'
Obama said he's going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are 57 Islamic states. There are 57 Islamic states. Dwell on this for a little while............ So did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip, ladies and gentlemen?
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