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Old 14th September 2008, 18:34   #2701 (permalink)

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Well Binos, now that you bring that up................................

Lets see here, hum, there is ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, PBS, CNBC that if not firmly in the Obama camp certainly lean strong in that direction. Then there is Fox.

Curiouser and curiouser.
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Old 14th September 2008, 18:54   #2702 (permalink)
 
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This won't change the firmly-held convictions of either side one iota, but interesting none the less:

Obama's credibility gap is visible | The Australian
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Old 14th September 2008, 21:08   #2703 (permalink)
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I like it Barit1, quite accurate methinks.

Now for some more Palin gaffes:
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Palin: Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.
According Factcheck.org, Palin is way off the mark:
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Furthermore, Palin said "energy," not "oil," so she was actually much further off the mark. According to EIA, Alaska actually produced 2,417.1 trillion BTUs [British Thermal Units] of energy in 2005, the last year for which full state numbers are available. That's equal to just 3.5 percent of the country's domestic energy production.
I begin to wonder, does this Guvnor has any clue besides moosehunting?

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Old 14th September 2008, 21:36   #2704 (permalink)

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Well, at least she knows how many states we have, 50, not 57 as Obama apparently thinks.

By the way, has any of Obama's puppet masters inform him yet that she now the Governor of Alaska and not a mayor of a town any more? As he compared her experience as a 'mayor' of a small town to his 'experience' managing a campaign, which in fact he does not manage, his campaign manager does.

You seem very quick to jump on any misstatement of Palin, but seem to totally ignore Obama's foot in mouth moments.

However, carry on, it's a free country, even if you don't live here.
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Old 14th September 2008, 22:08   #2705 (permalink)
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I think you miss the point, Palin isn't liked because of her knowledge, but because she's seen as "one of us", hence her occasional mistakes are seen as endearing rather than as vote losing mistakes.

Obama had a great deal of support because he was seen as the "new thing" in politics, which he managed to sustain for 7 months; unfortunately for him the public is fickle and Palin is now the "new thing" with which they are enamoured. No matter what he or the Democrats do Obama can never get that sheen back - he now has to get the votes on policies and the gut feeling that wins elections.

Unfortunately, his campaign staff don't seem to know how to do it...

Barack Obama under fire for ignoring advice on how to beat John McCain
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Old 14th September 2008, 22:45   #2706 (permalink)
 
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Well, what I find interesting is the flow of MSM stories on the two parties.

On the Republican side, the stories are about party unity, enthusiasm, that in Congress the party may not lose so many seats; the stories attribute much of this progress to the Palin nomination. That white women have swung 20% to McCain is another interesting article.

On the Democrat side, the stories are about arguments within the party about how things are going wrong, who's to blame, will going negative help Barack Hussein Obama, was Biden a mistake, should Bilary have been chosen. Several columns in the Times about "how it is not THAT bad"; sure signs of disaster, if you ask me. All signs of efforts to deflect blame, bureaucratic infighting and a campaign in deep doo-doo, even self-destructing. And, mostly because they had the balls to think they would slam dunk the election and BHO would chosen America's Messiah. It is still a close election, but it is going to look like 2004, unless C-P is right and it won't. Hell, GWB won 40 states in that one.

BTW, nice to be in "old Europe", Italy actually. May not approve of American political thought, but with a lot of Euros and a spare liver, life is good. Expense accounts are good, but the company medical plan may not cover a transplant.
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Old 14th September 2008, 23:45   #2707 (permalink)
 
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Some may like polls, I tend to like markets for predictability. When people put their money where their mouth is...

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Old 15th September 2008, 01:12   #2708 (permalink)
 
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Another interesting phenomenon are the late night jokes about the candidates.

I have been watching Jay Leno's 'Tonight Show'. In his monologue he has told more jokes about McCain than I can count, however, every night there will be at least three or more. Jokes about Obama, zero, nada, none what so ever. After Palin joined the race there are about four jokes about her to one about Biden.


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No publicity is bad publicity. At least they are getting their names mentioned!! Thats all that matters isn't it?
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Old 15th September 2008, 10:39   #2709 (permalink)
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I think you miss the point, Palin isn't liked because of her knowledge, but because she's seen as "one of us", hence her occasional mistakes are seen as endearing rather than as vote losing mistakes.
A frightening thought for someone who might be a heartbeat away from being the President of God's Favorite Nation and "Most Powerful Nation On The Earth"....
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Old 15th September 2008, 14:10   #2710 (permalink)

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When people put their money where their mouth is...

I like that too, umm..lifting,which is why I made my offer on the American election thread. Odd that only one person has taken it up.
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Old 15th September 2008, 14:19   #2711 (permalink)
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So, despite his public pronouncements, Obama tried to persuade the Iraqi government to delay any troop withdrawal till he could take the credit for it and use it as a weapon against the Republicans. You can talk about sleaze, but trying to interfere with foreign policy behind the administration and State department's back - possibly at the cost of lives, now that's sleaze...

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
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Old 15th September 2008, 14:30   #2712 (permalink)
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Looks like the old Chicago saying of, "vote early...and vote often", still holds true.

Bad voter applications found

And, in case you are wondering who Acorn are.......they're one of Obama's little hidden secrets...

I'd also love to see some facts about the extra 500,000 voters who suddenly appeared to give Obama $66M in August. Maybe from the same places as his previous contributors.
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Old 15th September 2008, 15:13   #2713 (permalink)
 
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The cartoon submitted by Capt Kaos has it summed up. At the end of the day if McCain is voted in, as a 72 year old who has already had three or four bouts of cancer, then the Republican vote has to be cast in the knowledge that Palin will be president of the US, because the chances are that she will be within the next four years. Mrs Clinton must have difficulty sleeping without prescription drugs
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Did you miss me boys ? Sorry. Had to take a little vacation in Miami. Now, where were we ?

Oh yes...Time magazine -- How America Decides

Thursday, Aug. 07, 2008

"But while McCain maintains an insurmountable advantage among white Evangelicals, there are signs that it might not be sufficient to put him over the top. In 2004, George W. Bush captured 78% of white Evangelicals, who turned out in record numbers. McCain's numbers lag behind Bush's, and 27% of his Evangelical backers say they are not enthusiastic about him."

Enter Sarah Palin. Never mind that "agents of intolerance" stuff from the last time he ran for President.

McCain Takes Aim at Religious Right

Feb. 29, 2000

"Senator John McCain, in a provocative and politically risky speech, sharply criticized leaders of the religious right on Monday as "agents of intolerance" allied to his rival, Governor George W. Bush, and denounced what he said were the tactics of "division and slander."

Specifically, Mr. McCain singled out the evangelists Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell as "corrupting influences on religion and politics" and said parts of the religious right were divisive and even un-American."


Maybe we could let the Creationism go if they'd just teach accounting at those home schools or Liberty University. I mean the real kind of accounting. The one where you learn how to count money instead of votes.

McCain Reconnects with Liberty University

"Six years after labeling the Rev. Jerry Falwell one of the political "agents of intolerance," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) delivered the commencement address Saturday at Falwell's Liberty University, and vigorously defended his support for the war in Iraq while saying that opponents have a moral duty to challenge the wisdom of a conflict that has exacted a huge toll on the nation."

Two wars, tax cuts (don't make them permanent -- no wait, make them permanent) and 8 years of kneeling before the alter of unregulated capitalism leaves us with...

Financial Russian Roulette

September 14, 2008

"Will the U.S. financial system collapse today, or maybe over the next few days? I don’t think so — but I’m nowhere near certain. You see, Lehman Brothers, a major investment bank, is apparently about to go under. And nobody knows what will happen next."

Oh, and on that trip back from Miami ? I got to stop at 3 gas stations before I could find some gas -- at almost $5.00 a gallon. Cash Only Please. Up $1.50 a gallon in five days ? Ah...good old (unregulated) capitalism. Where highway robbery and price gouging are legal.

Let's talk about a pregnant 17-year with a "choice" (despite 8 years of the Evangelical's Chosen One) because the reality of the important issues is just too depressing.

No wonder McSame is talking about CHANGE.

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Turn out the lights -- the party is over.

Lehman Will File for Bankruptcy; Merrill to Be Sold

But even as the fates of Lehman and Merrill hung in the balance, another crisis loomed as the insurance giant American International Group appeared to teeter. Staggered by losses stemming from the credit crisis, A.I.G. sought a $40 billion lifeline from the Federal Reserve, without which the company may have only days to survive

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Old 15th September 2008, 17:45   #2716 (permalink)
 
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I like that too, umm..lifting,which is why I made my offer on the American election thread.
I wonder just what makes you so sure. I'm not one to make bets (especially on a fixed pensioners income) unless I'm reasonably sure of the outcome. So far nothing has given me the level of comfort I need to predict the outcome. Both sides have had a bit of a bounce post convention. Both have swayed back and forth in the polls. Debates have yet to occur. I do love a maverick however Bino's so march on.

Have you spoken with God to devine the outcome? I thought only Republicans had a direct line.
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Old 15th September 2008, 17:48   #2717 (permalink)
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Doesn't FOX have something on at the same time you could watch, con?
Surprise, surprise, it does! Look at this.

And these "voted 94 times for higher taxes."? Not true. And Obama wanted to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year? Not true.
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How was the NATCA gig? Get some good dubya bashing in?


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When one door closes another opens...
Nice article in the paper about first time home buyers in Southern California. While others who made foolish choices (and expect me as a taxpayer to bail them out), others are now finding a market they can actually afford to buy in.


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You might want to retract your olfactory input recepticle from BO third point of contact. In another 50 something days he may be the President and then you'll have to attack in a whole new direction once you find he's really not going to change much. Sorry, no Euro style socialism. Wouldn't want to have too many pro BO quotes for us neo-cons to use against you in the future.

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Old 15th September 2008, 18:30   #2719 (permalink)
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I think you miss the point, Palin isn't liked because of her knowledge, but because she's seen as "one of us", hence her occasional mistakes are seen as endearing rather than as vote losing mistakes.

A frightening thought for someone who might be a heartbeat away from being the President of God's Favorite Nation and "Most Powerful Nation On The Earth"....
Read and digest: Decision Makers
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How was the NATCA gig? Get some good dubya bashing in?
A splendid time (for all that like hot weather, minimal clothing and fruity drinks.) Shrub was thoroughly trounced.

I had the strangest thought. Did you ever notice there aren't too many (any ?) unions on Wall Street ? Who shall the money changers blame ?

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