Though I might not use the same terms as earl, I don't see where mod lines have been crossed. I've seen worse from TrackCoastal, Capt. Grumpy, et al. from the other side, and my skin proved thick enough to endure it.
That said, I do pay much more attention to the courteous and generally well written posts of Sunray, for example.
While we're on the subject I do have a bit of a peeve. When a leftist or liberal post is made, why is it necessary to add a bit about 'the usual suspects'. It seems to me to be an attempt to discredit an opposing view before it is expressed. State your point and leave it at that, unless you have a weak point to make and are unable to otherwise defend it. Then I suppose you are reduced to use terms like 'usual suspects' or 'knee-jerk', etc.
In the same vein, Obama was quite ill-advised to equate Sarah with a pig. It didn't wash at all, and if you watched him say it, you knew exactly what he meant and that the audience received his message loud and clear.
In the same vein, Obama was quite ill-advised to equate Sarah with a pig. It didn't wash at all, and if you watched him say it, you knew exactly what he meant and that the audience received his message loud and clear.
Very true Ben, even the most casually observers of human physical signs of of body language had to know that Obama knew exactly that he was getting ready to compare Palin to a pig. The pause in his speech, taking his hand out of his pocket, rubbing his brow and then covering his eyes while he lowers his head and delivers the punch line.
Of course his puppet masters, oops, I mean his campaign managers knew they could always fall back on the fact that others had used that line in the past.
I'm sure it was just a coincidence that two weeks ago Palin stated this about her being a hockey mom;
"You know the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull,,,,,,,,, lipstick."
BenThere, I haven't seen the original of the "lipstick" comment in context but I remember thinking when I heard about it that it was a particularly stupid thing to say, and all the disingenuous back pedalling in the world would not protect him from the consequences.
We share the same peeve, of course. I left this discussion not as a "flounce" but because it was becoming sleep-inducingly boring and I plead guilty to using the term "the usual suspects" myself. It was prompted in my case by the same people repeating the same lines ad nauseam as though repetition equates to reinforcement. The conservatives however, as you point out, are hardly unique in this regard.
I'm sorry, but if you can't see the redneck offensiveness and sheer stupidity in Earl's post, it's where we part company. I'm not going to bother trying to explain it. I'll probably get called PC but it is my opinion he should be banned.
I've seen worse from TrackCoastal, Capt. Grumpy, et al.
Aaww Ben, if I've got up your nose then my work has not been in vain. I find this whole thread boring in the extreme and will not even bother being involved with this one exception. (Although it is amusing reading the mass debate between all you good ole boys )
Hey! Didja know we have a super-dooper federal election running here in Canada, voting on 14 October? Golly is it interesting! Lemme tellya........................ No. On second thoughts, lemme not bother. It would be cruel and unusual punishment.
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I'm sorry, but if you can't see the redneck offensiveness and sheer stupidity in Earl's post, it's where we part company. I'm not going to bother trying to explain it. I'll probably get called PC but it is my opinion he should be banned.
"Redneck offensiveness"?.."sheer stupidity"?...my such harsh words! So let's get this straight; Obama, blatently mudslings at Palin by essentially calling her a pig through context and gesture, and everyone except for the suddenly-naive here gets it. You and the rest of his Disciples are quite pleased however ("snicker snicker good one Obama snicker"), believing it to be quite witty and a scoring touch. Earl, in a case of "turnabout is fair play", uses the same term to describe What's-her-name and Obama himself because of what she said and what he did (both indicative of American self-loathing), and you throw a demand-he-be-banned hissy fit. All because of the term "pig".
So although in our society it's generally held that "What's good for the goose is good for the gander", apparently, either in your part of the world or perhaps just in your situational way of thinking, "What's good for the gander (snicker snicker) isn't good for the goose". Strange indeed....but there are entire cultures and countries I'm very familiar with based on misoginistic principles such as this.
No wonder you aren't "going to bother to explain it"; holding a double-standard while you're attempting to maintain a facade of objectivity is indeed pretty hard to explain. Brings to mind an old editorial cartoon during Bill Clinton's race against Bush Sr (or Dole) showing them both in a boxing ring with gloves on, but Clinton has hiked his trunks up to practically around his neck, and whining in that Momma's Boy fashion he always used "No hitting below the belt!". Seems to be a similar case here with the Obama Lemmings.
(Uh oh, now I've done it..."lemmings"...that's a straight-up, reverse-anthropomorphic reference...someone is sure to call for my banning!")
Now, I can see why you and the usual suspects race to defend American self-loathers. After all, you share the same world view, and for a self-loather like Obama to become President....Wow! That's a dream come true for those abroad who convince themselves that their own countries' problems or pathetic lives are somehow America's fault and spend their money on Michael Moore (hey whatever happened to that Loser? Did he piggishly eat and self-loath himself into oblivion?) movie tickets instead of vegamite, scones, and bagettes. Earl, however, obviously holds a different opinion; that such self-Loathers really have no business being President of the U.S., and last time I checked, he's entitled to it.
But since you may have trouble convincing the mods that the term "pig" or "piglet" in American vernacular is somehow an attack on race or religion instead of what it was given the context and manner in which it was delivered...that is, an attack on Palin herself when it spewed-forth like so much verbal sewage, the stink of which mezmerizes his Lemmings like a Pied Piper's flute for them to come hither to wallow and join in the reek-drinking...from Obama's open pie-hole, you can always hope and share in El Grifo's hope...
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El Grifo Would "Megatosser" be too strong a word to describe the aforesaid.
Blinded, bigoted and "over there"....
...Sooner we (the west) are rid of these fcuks the better.
Unfortunately for you El Grifo, you'll just have to come to grips with the fact that, "over there", until the point a person infringes on the Rights of another Individual, these "fcuks" (as you so open-mindedly term them), can be as naive, enlightened, blind, bigoted, fruit-loopy, apathetic, pacifist, pro-war, xenophobic, religious, atheistic, ignorant, soccer-sissified, educated, gun-toting, love-bead-wearing etc. etc. as they want to be, and go about their lives as they see fit. And even more horrific for you and fellow-traveling Global Villagers, these Americans have the freedom to vote and cast their ballot in an American election based on their own personal ideas of what they, not you, think is important.
Scary and frustrating for you? Good. That's of prime importance to me this election. Palin's got my vote.
Thank you, Brian. (post #2652) I was into my third tissue by the end - tears in my eyes. (It's a pisstake, isn't it? - a SNL skit? How did he keep a straight face, all the way through to the end?)
Wiley... I wouldn't be so sure... it can often be difficult to tell... but what is tolerably certain in this uncertain world is that even if it is, there is absolutely no way Obama or the various news pundits will see any humo(u)r in it at all.
You and the rest of his Disciples are quite pleased however ("snicker snicker good one Obama snicker"), believing it to be quite witty and a scoring touch.
Perhaps you have trouble with comprehension, AMF. It was in that very same post that I wrote
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.....I remember thinking when I heard about it that it was a particularly stupid thing to say, and all the disingenuous back pedalling in the world would not protect him from the consequences.
If you choose to consider that a "snicker snicker nice one Obama" remark then we have even less to say to each other than I previously thought.
In your rush to splatter the canvas you haven't bothered checking out the full opinions of those you're throwing the paint over, just neatly assigning anybody who has ever confessed to thinking Bush is a disaster as "the opposition", or The Disciples, or even, ironically given BenThere's expressed peeve, "the usual suspects". It's so much easier, after all, to ignore things you don't want to hear and to assume that everybody sees things in the same two colours you do.
Here's a challenge for your absurd generalisations. Find me a post, anywhere, in which I have expressed a belief that Obama would make a better president than McCain, as opposed to expressing my opinion that he will win.
There, that shouldn't be too hard, should it?
If you can't, do feel free to apologise. I won't hold my breath.
........Rep. Steve Cohen of Tennessee may be learning a lesson in the dangers of mixing politics and religion, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reports: In a brief speech, Cohen said that he believed that the political parties have differences "but if you want change, you want the Democratic Party. Barack Obama was a community organizer like Jesus, who our minister prayed about; Pontius Pilate was a governor."
Besides the commentary on a YouTube version of the speech making the rounds, the Tennessee Republican Party also responded with a statement.
"Frankly, we're shocked that Rep. Cohen, a Memphis Democrat who was targeted by vicious anti-Jewish slurs and bigotry during his two successful runs for Congress, would make such idiotic and offensive comments," said chairman Robin Smith. "Comparing Gov. Palin to the killer of Christ is simply beyond the pale," she added. "Gov. Palin's strong Christian life and faith are self-evident."
Video is here. At least Cohen didn't mention cosmetics or treif. To our mind, though, the bigger blunder consists in likening Obama to Jesus. Cohen is not a Christian, which means he does not believe Jesus is the Messiah. But most Americans do, making this a problematic comparison given that some of Obama's critics have accused him of having a messiah complex..........
GIBSON: I saw you quoted somewhere as speaking rather admiringly of Mrs. Clinton, Senator Clinton, during the primary campaign. Do you think Obama should've picked her?
PALIN: I think he's regretting not picking her now, I do. What, what determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way, she handled those well.
"Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America," Biden replied, standing before a crowd at a Nashua rally. "Let's get that straight. She's a truly close personal friend; she is qualified to be president of the United States of America. She's easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America and, quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me, but she is first-rate."
Let's try and be totally honest and devoid of self-delusion.
Let's just try for a moment shall we.
Here is a transcript on what Obama said;-
OBAMA: Let's just list this for a second. John McCain says he's about change, too. Except -- and so I guess his whole angle is, "Watch out, George Bush, except for economic policy, health-care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove-style politics. We're really gonna shake things up in Washington." That's not change. That's just calling some -- the same thing, something different. But you know, you can't -- you know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig.
Okay boys, help me out here. Point out the connection, link, or reference with Palin in this transcript.
You are totally conviced a connection exists. Share it with me, I am perfectly happy to be proved wrong.
Can we start with BenThere perhaps, con maybe. Don't be shy guys !
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