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Old 20th Mar 2006, 11:14   #1 (permalink)
 
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Weapons Aboard

Something puzzles me, There are a number of reports in the papers about commercial vessels coming under attack from Pirates. A cruise liner recently was hit by an RPG, courtesy of Somali bandits who were attempting to board the Vessel and fill their boots. On this occasion the pirates were not succesful because the Liner had a special acoustic anti pirate system (?) which was successfully used.

I really cannot understand why these vessels dont a few weapons aboard, under the control of the Captain, or a security team. Having weapons aboard is a far less risky prospect than being totally at the mercy of a band of Pirates who wouldn't think twice about raping and murdering passengers and crew.

Anyone any clues as to why British civilian ships cannot and do not defend themselves properly? Or stories of where they have?

The saddening Sir Peter Blake scenario (where he went for a gun on his yacht and was subsequently shot by bandits) is a brutal example of what can happen when decent people arm themselves, but contrast this with stories of unarmed crews being murdered in the Straits of Malacca by pirates/bandits. Official Government advice is that vessels should not have firearms aboard as this makes them a target for thieves/bandits and the individual could fall foul of local laws.


SO whaddya reckon? Anyone got any ideas?
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 11:22   #2 (permalink)
 
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The Sir Peter Blake scenario is an excellent example of why it is unwise to escalate a tricky situation by threatening pirates with guns.

There are much better ways of defending ships against pirates, such as this
weapon.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 11:28   #3 (permalink)
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I think every commercial vessel and yacht flying the Red Duster should be allowed to carry one of these:



4 1/2" 114mm Mk. 8 "Goalkeeper" close-in weapons system
Semi-automatic, 20 rounds per minute, 17 miles range

That'll learn them!
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 11:30   #4 (permalink)
 
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Piracy is a huge problem in the Malacca Straights. Lived in Penang for 2 years and we only see the tip of the iceberg here compared to what happens on a day to day basis. Ref having weapons on board. Can only go by what a Merchant Seaman friend of mine once said. He often fealt more threatened by his own crewmates than he did in some of the worst ports/waters in the world.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 11:46   #5 (permalink)
 
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Well in my day Merchant ships did carry firearms, prolly a few old Webley .455s in the Captains safe,that was mostly in case the crew mutinied or canabalism broke out or the cook went insane,(a common occurance)
Tiz not that easy to board a Merchant ship under way.
As I understood it all merchant ships built in the UK in the fifties and sixties had to have re-enforced decks in various postions to hold a deck gun should war break out.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 11:59   #6 (permalink)
 
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Surely if the captain felt threatened more by his crewmates, more the reason to have a .455 in his safe?

Tony, what changed then? Any ideas why Captains can't/don't keep the old revolver in the safe anymore? If I were a Captain on a vessel in a dangerous area i'd want one, If I were a passenger on a vessel in a dangerous area, i'd want el Capitan to have one.
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What makes you think they can't,? as far as I know nothing to stop blue water merchant ships carrying a firearm or two, prolly those plastic Glocks now though.
In my day trouble with Malay Pirates and they would have sent one of these chaps.

http://groups.msn.com/LatinFlyersAir...o&PhotoID=1766

They wudda blown said pirates out of the water hanged the entire populations of the villages they hailed from and layed waste to a few hundred square miles of the country said villages stood in.
We didn't **** about in those days,and as Don Corleone said,they they will fear you.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 12:34   #8 (permalink)
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Interesting report here concerning a clash between purported Somali pirates and the US Navy:
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On Saturday, the US Navy reported an exchange of fire between two of its ships and the suspected pirates.

There are contradictory reports on how the gunbattle began.

Saleban Aadan Barqad said his men returned fire after being attacked by the American warships. But the US navy says the warships were targeted by the suspected pirates.
Foolhardy pirates indeed, if they'd really decided to take on a couple of these...


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Old 20th Mar 2006, 12:35   #9 (permalink)
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In my day trouble with Malay Pirates and they would have sent one of these chaps.
Wasn't one of those sent to Agadoo?
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Nothing more dangerous than a sailor wielding his weapon.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 12:59   #11 (permalink)
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Penisillin is a standard drug carried in all shipboard medical cupboards...
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 13:24   #12 (permalink)

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I really cannot understand why these vessels dont a few weapons aboard, under the control of the Captain,
ike Captain whatshisname from the Exxon Valdez?
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Team America will sort them all out that's for sure.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 13:37   #14 (permalink)

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Wouldn't use Goalkeeper. It's true it is a better system, but Phalanx will still ruin the scumbags' day, and it's a bolt-on system. Mmmmm, might order one for the flat, for when loudmouthed drunks annoy me when I have an early flight

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R2D2 finally gets a penis...
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 14:09   #17 (permalink)
 
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Penisillin is a standard drug carried in all shipboard medical cupboards
And Vaseline.
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A couple of marksmen with 20mm anti materiel weapons should prevent them getting any closer than 1000m or so. RPG7 effective range around 100-700m, self destruct at 900m odd. Denel build a beaut.
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Old 20th Mar 2006, 20:06   #19 (permalink)
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The Peter Blake scenario is a perfect example of why it's a good idea to keep your firearms free from salt water, and not try to use them while you're off your nut on cocaine. Serves him right, Korean red socks, hypocrite.

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