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Old 23rd Dec 2004, 21:42   #1 (permalink)
 
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Has Political Correctness gone too far?

While I try and be nice to everyone, there are some folks in the world who must get their viewpoint across at all costs and more often than not to the detriment of the majority.

How come the majority let the minority:

Shut down elementary school Christmas Plays?
Dictate what we can see or can't see on TV? That's why I have an off button, so I can make the choice.
What books a library can or cannot carry etc?....The list goes on.

I call it censorship.

I don't offend people knowingly and I want to be able to decide what I want to do / watch / eat / see without a bunch of people telling me what to do to fulfill their own personal agenda. We're very close to losing the values that made the U.S and U.K great. Namely respect, freedom of choice and an actual opinion we call our own.
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Old 23rd Dec 2004, 21:47   #2 (permalink)

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How dare you question political correctness! What is your agenda here? Are you trying to demean one of New Jerseys finest towns by your title?

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Old 23rd Dec 2004, 21:54   #3 (permalink)

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How come the majority let the minority:

Shut down elementary school Christmas Plays?
Well, not anymore they're not. The God-fearing majority in the US are starting to fight back against the social homogenisation of the New Order social engineers, and not before time.

Good luck to them, and MERRY CHRISTMAS to you all!

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Political Correctness...
The triumph of wishful thinking over experience.. !!
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Old 23rd Dec 2004, 22:05   #5 (permalink)

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Why would one 'wish' for a world dominated by the thought police?

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Old 23rd Dec 2004, 22:07   #6 (permalink)
 
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Every website one visits bleats about PC,newspaper articles decry it, items on television warn of its curse it, yet we do nowt about .
Lets take action!! take these PC feckers outside , stand around then in a circle and beat them to death with stout sticks I say.
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Old 23rd Dec 2004, 22:12   #7 (permalink)
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Drapes old son,
That is no way to carry on, and is blatant missuse and abuse of the poor Stout Stick.

Use soggy black pudding I say ( a resurgence of Ekky Thump)
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Old 24th Dec 2004, 09:49   #8 (permalink)
 
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Yeah!! Rant - rant - rant - rant - rant!!!

Burn 'em, burn the witches, burn the bleeding heart liberals!! Beat them with sticks, rant, rant, ruining our lives, burn 'em, rant, goddamn commies, bomb 'em, rant, rant....!!

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Old 24th Dec 2004, 10:02   #9 (permalink)
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We're very close to losing the values that made the U.S and U.K great.
I'm glad that doesn't apply to all the other countries in da world, or does it?

How come the majority let the minority: removing the Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state judicial building?
 
Old 24th Dec 2004, 10:09   #10 (permalink)
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How come the majority let the minority
The majority don't let the minority do anything. The purpose of having a republic (as opposed to a true democracy) as a system of government is to protect the minority form the tyranny of the majority. It (in theory) allows informed elected officials to make decisions on things, as opposed to asking the (generally) uninformed masses. I don't want to bring up any particular cases, but there are several in recent history where parliament has gone against what the newspapers would have you believe is "the majority".

I do agree with newarksmells' point about censorship; the proposed law against "incitement to religious hatred" is an example of this. People seem to think they have a fundamental right to not be offended, which is clearly balderdash. Such removal of the right to free speech is a stifling of opinion in an Orwellian manner.
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The problem that I have with political correctness being incorporated into legislation is this. Whose interpretation of what is acceptable do we use. What I may consider offensive or acceptable may be very different from yours and so one of us may fall foul of the law due to the standards of a third party.
I accept that there is a general lack of respect for people these days but surely this is an education issue not one for the statute books. I suppose that there are forms of abuse which the majority (there's that word again) would find unacceptable such as racism and I guess these can be catered for but in less extreme cases do we all become at risk ?
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Old 24th Dec 2004, 11:27   #12 (permalink)
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We all know how political correctness is evolving--but does anybody know how it actually came into being ? ---and why ? Excuse my innocence here, but even as a dedicated Grudian reader, I have no real idea as to how PC became so established.
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Old 24th Dec 2004, 11:47   #13 (permalink)
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Such removal of the right to free speech is a stifling of opinion in an Orwellian manner.
So you'll be leaving us then PPT??

Never has been here, never will be. Life is actually about balance. We take the middle road between extremes whether talking to our bosses and peers or running a website.

In reality you're collectively ranting for the right to vent. Moderate ranting is welcome here.

Next caller to the Christmas careline please

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Old 24th Dec 2004, 11:54   #14 (permalink)
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Well of topic, but at the moment I dont care. In Sydney its midnight, and will be here in three hrs, so Merry Christmas to all who celebrate the occasion, and those what dont as well.

May you all enjoy the morrow, without any family bickering.

All the best,

Avtrician.

(May be on topic after all, for im not sure if this is PC or not.)

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Old 24th Dec 2004, 13:42   #15 (permalink)
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Now what makes you think that? I was talking about the new government legislation which is currently being debated which would make "incitement to religious hatred" unlawful. If taken to its extreme this would prevent anyone even making jokes about religion.
I don't recall ever complaining about the ROE here - I have plenty of places I can go if I want to discuss religion, politics or just about any other subject. If these subjects come up here then I'm happy to join in, but I mostly turn up to chuckle at the humour of some highly amusing and usually irreverant people.

But, if I'm not wanted...
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The minorities rule our lives only because the majority have, over the past 10 years or more, become too lazy and apathetic.
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Old 24th Dec 2004, 14:29   #17 (permalink)
 
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Sobelena,

Please give us some examples of how "the minorities rule our lives".

Thanks.
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Old 24th Dec 2004, 14:49   #18 (permalink)
 
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I'll give you a doozie...This year it happened in Iowa, but the location seems to vary by year.

Two sets of parents (out of 280) at an elementary school complained to the State School Board about the nativity scene in the annual Christmas School play stating it broke the barrier between religion and government. They selfishly managed to suceed in removing the aforementioned scene.

Sort of defeats the idea behind a Christmas Play but what do I know. Perhaps they should have stayed away if they didn't like the content.

Truly appalled !!

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Old 24th Dec 2004, 14:56   #19 (permalink)
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.... but PPT

as publishers of the site we are subject to exactly those laws. Don't be taken in by the little cosy world in here. You may be insulated from reality while visiting and having a good vent but we are not.

The new laws in France are just grist for expounding views and debate. As someone running the site from Paris for the past fortnight it becomes something both far more immediate and potentially serious for us at the Towers.

In many areas of this forum there is only a wafer thin veneer of, apparently, civilised discourse sheltering some truly vile and venal views. Many of you choose to only remember the irreverent and amusing - our mods don't have that luxury.

As I said before if people wish to have a good vent on this thread regarding political correctness then go for it - just don't kid yourselves there has ever been free speech here. It only serves to reinforce the perceptions that this place is anything but a passive and powerless medium. You have the luxury of a new pejorative term - PC - to aim at but reality is that todays PC/liberal/luvvie concepts becomes tomorrow's accepted dogma. Democracy, women's votes, abolition of slavery all the minor stuff. That is unless you do something about it.

It isn't real life here, no one is changing anything. If anyone is genuinely, profoundly aghast at such laws why are you wasting your time on this obscure outpost in the aether? I know, have the vapours over a cancelled child's play but ignore the what's happening in the science curriiculum over a large swathe of American schools.

I get to see exactly how long many of you spend here and I happen to think that people can change the world - it just wont happen here that's all.

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Old 24th Dec 2004, 15:36   #20 (permalink)
 
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Rob;

I think you need an enema because you talk a lot of sh*t !!

You have no idea what the vast majority of people on this board do? Do you know I feed the homeless in Newark once a month? Do you know I attend township meetings hoping to prevent WalMart from building another giant Superstore in our neighborhood?

Now you know what I do. I have no idea what you do apart from putting people down for pointing out some of the more obvious blights our society has to endure that are caused by the lunatic fringe who love seeing their names splashed across the TV and Newspapers.

These are people who need to be exposed, shamed and scorned upon.

Have a great Christmas

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