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Old 9th Oct 2004, 19:47   #1 (permalink)
 
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Boeing/Airbus

Anyone knows about the sentence against the Pentagone buyer who got a fine and some time in confinment because she gave informations to Boeing about others aircrafts prices............
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Old 9th Oct 2004, 21:21   #2 (permalink)

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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/02/bu.../02boeing.html
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 01:31   #3 (permalink)

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That seems to be a members only site, RT.
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 01:54   #4 (permalink)

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Oh God, how original Grandpa; a Boeing versus Airbus post. No one has ever brought this up on PPRuNe.
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Its hard to pick between them.

Both have wings glued to the big tube
Both have engines bolted to the wings
both have seats which are to close to the seat in front
neither is cheap enuf for me to buy one

nup, cant decide.
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 11:09   #6 (permalink)
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Point of order: Grandpa, surely you mean't to title this topic Airbus / Boeing ?!
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 12:21   #7 (permalink)
 
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No that's Boeing/Airbus Airship!

On NYT site you can register free and get a summary of that new:

Darleen Something was sentenced 9 months in prison because she favoured Boeing in a biilion $ market (tanker aircrafts).

Airbus is involved only because they didn't get a fair treatment due to Darleen smuggling info to Boeing, while she was working for the Pentagon and seeking a job at Boeing.
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Both have wings glued to the big tube.
Both have engines bolted to the wings
Boeing uses a higher strength of glue. Airbus finds the cheapest then re-designs it to work with an upside-down plastic switch.
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 20:00   #9 (permalink)

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There is a thread on the subject on the Mil forum last news (Beeb) on page 3

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Old 10th Oct 2004, 20:08   #10 (permalink)
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because she gave informations to Boeing about others aircrafts prices............
sorry grandpère, but business is business. You need this kind of information to survive, I do that all the time.

PS GP, neither did I, I meant to say as a company you need to know your competitors prices.
 
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Thank you Bre and I appreciate Kao's comment too.

I didn't intend to make any judgment about this lady, who for sure isn't alone trying any tricks to get a job and give a decent education to her children in this hard world where we live.

I was only looking for info............
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Old 11th Oct 2004, 09:37   #12 (permalink)

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Here you go

UPDATE 3-EU, U.S. trade blows over aircraft agreement
Fri 8 October, 2004 18:10

By Jeff Mason

BRUSSELS, Oct 8 (Reuters) - The European Union and the United States exchanged blows again on Friday over a transatlantic aircraft pact, sharpening a trade row and calling into question funding for the world's top aircraft makers.

The EU executive Commission said Washington's "unilateral" termination of the accord, which governs state aid to Boeing BA.N and Airbus EAD.PA BA.L , was illegal so the pact was still in force. The United States said it was justified in ending the agreement because the EU had violated its terms.

The EU also demanded consultations before Washington gives any aid to Boeing's "Dreamliner" 7E7 project.

The tit-for-tat exchange is the latest in the trade spat between the world's top trading partners and comes just weeks before the U.S. presidential election.

Washington and Brussels filed reciprocal complaints against each other's public subsidies to Airbus and Boeing with the World Trade Organisation on Wednesday.

"We have ... the feeling that this may be a way for them to escape from the disciplines in the 1992 agreement," Commission spokeswoman Arancha Gonzalez told a daily briefing, saying the United States had breached the accord.

The United States said it had terminated the pact because the EU had violated it, and said the status of the aircraft deal had no bearing on its ability to file the case with the WTO.

"The EU has not acted in accordance with the agreement, notably by providing various production subsidies for the A380," U.S. Trade Representative office (USTR) spokesman Richard Mills said, referring to the the new Airbus super jumbo jet.

The dispute, which erupted in the last stretch of a tightening U.S. presidential campaign between President George W. Bush and Democratic rival Senator John Kerry, has highlighted transatlantic tensions over a raft of trade issues.


SHE SAID, HE SAID

Gonzalez said in order to terminate the aircraft agreement, one side had to give a year's notice or show that the other side had violated the pact's terms.

The Commission said Washington had provided no evidence of EU non-compliance with the 1992 pact and made only "groundless and unsubstantiated general allegations".

"They have terminated the agreement in an illegal manner," she told reporters. "The EU considers the abrogation invalid and consequently the agreement is still in force."

In addition, the EU said the United States had violated the agreement's stipulation that the parties avoid any trade conflict on issues governed by the pact.

"The United States has failed to comply with this obligation as well as its obligation to seek to resolve any dispute through consultations," the letter said.

The United States rejected the EU's charge that it was acting unilaterally.

"It's difficult to understand, to see how enlisting a multilateral organisation like the WTO to help resolve a bilateral dispute is considered unilateral. Going to the WTO is the very example of multilateralism," USTR's Mills said.

Officials on the EU side have accused the United States of playing politics in a presidential election year.

A senior U.S. trade official said on Thursday the timing of the challenge had more to do with the prospect of European government subsidies for the launch of a new Airbus plane, the A350, which would rival Boeing's 7E7.

At a European Chamber of Commerce lunch in Hanoi on Friday, EU Trade Commissioner Pascal Lamy said: "We are absolutely convinced that the fact that this announcement has taken place between the debate between the candidates for presidents ... is of course nothing to do with U.S. elections."

The comments drew laughter from the audience.

From http://www.reuters.co.uk
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