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Old 9th Oct 2004, 18:03   #1 (permalink)
 
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Just saw an item on channel 4 news about these Royal Navy warships due in service in 2014. The software chosen to control the weapon systems on these ships has been selected. And it is....wait for it.


WINDOWS!!!??!!


I think a fatal error may have ocurred!

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Old 9th Oct 2004, 18:41   #2 (permalink)
 
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Who makes these decisions? Do my tax pounds really pay their salary, and are my tax pounds really going to pay their pensions! I'm am gobsmaked!

Glad I didn't vote New Labour, or I would have to hold myself responsible. Why's it called Windows? Because that's what you throw it out of, but there are no 'windows' (or more correctly, scuttles) in Naval Ops Rooms... So where are they going to throw it out of!
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Old 9th Oct 2004, 19:07   #4 (permalink)

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Are the Tories planning not to spend money on weaponry then? [doesn't apply if you voted Green of course]

But I digress. Anyway, I can't believe that Windows will be driving the weaponry system (unless they've adapted Minesweeper) - the former is just an operating system - it must an application running over it. I would guess that it is the interaction between the two that is causing a problem.

nb: the bbc news site says they're supposed to enter service in 2007
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Does this mean if you dont get a UN mandate to go to war, after firing a missile, windows will display the message " your program has just performed an illegal operation"?
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Old 9th Oct 2004, 21:01   #6 (permalink)

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No, the Bush Screen Of Death.

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Old 9th Oct 2004, 21:32   #7 (permalink)
 
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Is this built-in obsolescence?

What would you say if some-one offered you a computer demonstrated today, pay now, delivery in 10 years?
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Old 9th Oct 2004, 22:32   #8 (permalink)
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One has to ponder why the RN's proposed operating system is named "WINDOWS" and not "PORTHOLES"?
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Old 9th Oct 2004, 23:19   #9 (permalink)

 
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well if its like the 2 type 22 frigates BAE Systems have got sold to the Romanians...with £100 mil upgrade on top..each...and like the Canadian submarines then the UK economy is going to score on their general mismanagement and lack of project management

usual MOD contract write cheque cost plus agreed profit...
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 01:19   #10 (permalink)
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Its more to do with Pentiums being standardized due to EMC, stress and vibration testing issues than the operating system itself.

It's much cheaper to buy off the shelf than to create an even more bugridden (difficult to do but possible) bespoke application that causes the ship to be near useless until the Navy actually decide what they want it to do and the programmers bugger off on higher paying contracts that don't **** them about.
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 01:34   #11 (permalink)

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It's much cheaper to buy off the shelf than to create an even more bugridden (difficult to do but possible) bespoke application that causes the ship to be near useless until the Navy actually decide what they want it to do and the programmers bugger off on higher paying contracts that don't **** them about

Sounds just like Swanwick
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 06:44   #12 (permalink)
 
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Given that these are not due to enter service for another 10 years, is it possible that the decision is a tad premature?
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 07:54   #13 (permalink)
 
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Oops sorry. My mistake. The last one will be in service by 2014, the first one is on the stocks and in service by 2007.

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Techie: Target aquired, ready to fire.

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Techie: Just rebooting after Blue Screen of Death Captain, give me 3 minutes.
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 13:50   #15 (permalink)

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I hear Microsoft are going to change that to the Navy Blue Screen of Death
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 21:19   #16 (permalink)
 
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I wonder whether it'll be the current Windows or 64-bit edition.
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Old 10th Oct 2004, 23:11   #17 (permalink)
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Serves them right for not buying the extended warranty...........
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Old 11th Oct 2004, 05:59   #19 (permalink)
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S'funny, last night while looking at my computer, the thought crossed my mind that Hood, POW, Bismark, Prinz Eugen, Rodney and KGV beat the living daylights out of each other without a single electronic computer in any of them. There weren't any in the Stringbags that blew the rudder off Bismark either and they flew off a carrier that was 'taking it green over the bow' then mind-bogglingly, found it again and 'landed' (BTW, how does one land on a carrier? Shouldn't that be alighted?). Meanwhile, my Dad's destroyer group sank two destroyers, 4 U-boats and five E-boats without the use of any software whatsoever. In those days they just relied on hard men.

Then there was the Aegis cruiser that mistook an Iranian Airbus A300 flying at more than 20,000 feet for a Mig flying an attack profile...

...and they were using Unix!
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Old 11th Oct 2004, 07:46   #20 (permalink)
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No electronic computers, they didn't come in till 1943. But they had electromechanical calculators. The Hood had the Dreyer Table with electrical Dumaresq.
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