For once in my life I am incandesent with rage...here was a guy who went about his business with little or no fanfare..just basically getting on with it. Along came a bunch of murderous kidnapping scum who played on our sense of compassion and empathy to soften our resolve and split our loyalties.
In murdering Mr Bigley they have shown once again the capacity to which they hold human life in contempt. I wonder if we could get our hands on this Al-zar-kawi monster could we even control ourselves not to butcher the guy like he has his victims......this man is a calculating monster. For these people there is no appeasement, there is only violence and twisted religious ideals.
Rise above it people.....dont give these pigs the satisfaction, retribution for these people may not happen anytime soon..but you can bet it will happen. Just ask the Israeli's about how many terrorists they've punished for munich in 1972.
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After reading Binos' rant at VFE I'm surprised to see he's still contributing to the thread. Hard to fathom why some people bothers if the notion of people commenting on this abhorrent news is offensive to them.
I guess some people just have to come back looking for a reaction. Seems bitter and warped to me.
Ken Bigley gambled on big money in Iraq and he lost everything he had to lose, as did his family.
He knew what he was getting into, he knew what had been happening, and, according to what I read (which MUST be true), he knew he was being watched and that his local "security" were nervous and receiving death-threats and still he decided to stay on. But regardless of his motivation, nobody deserves to die for that. Especially the way he died.
Profound and sincere sympathies to his family and friends.
Theoretically if the USMC and other units stay there long enough, the problem will eventually peter out.
You confusion & misinterpetation here is understandable.
Perhaps you weren't around when the first of these awful beheadings took place a couple of months ago. Being the sick psychos that they are the perpetrators filmed it & sooner than later it was up on the internet for everyone to view for their voyeristic gory pleasure if they so wished.
Most, that is anyone with the slightest bit of gumption would firstly have no interest & definitely get no pleasure in doing so & could immediately ascertain that this reaction was wrong.
More importantly most realised that this video doing its rounds for public consumption could only prolong & intensify the grief & horror for the victims family & friends & invade their much needed privacy & such a delicate time.
However most importantly as Danny stated was that in our western culture people respect others need for privacy at lifes end especially when their end moment involves such horrifying depravity & as a form of respect & sympathy for the victim most people would not would have wanted to view this persons final moments screaming in terror & agony but would have automatically wanted to cover their eyes, lower their heads & divert their gaze..
What did the person you mentioned in your first above paragraph do but try to download the video to watch & casually admit it to the whole forum. His difficulty in doing so saved us all from any more gory details but I for one was horrified, to me it spoke volumes about the man. IMHO anyone who would even attempt to try & view such a video be they successful or not is sorely in need of help.
itchybum, sir, (if you're a man) said person can not can only tolerate this subject being discussed, he could also tolerate watching it if he was successful in downloading it obviously. Hope he sleeps well with his hypocritical conscience.
Athena5 - I'll leave Binos to respond in detail, but I'd just like to say that it is TOTALLY obvious to me that his first post :
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You haven't got a link to the video, have you? Aww, come on, I'm sure you have; your contact would have given it to you before it was available on Google, surely?
evidently qualifies under the heading of "Irony". His second post:
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Kaptin, I think you may have missed a little irony. There is not a word in your post with which I disagree.
I know the wonders of Google will provide me with all the gory details should I wish to see it. I'll pass, thanks.
definitely confirms that, and also confirms that he DOES NOT wish to view such a video! Lighten up and read all the post carefully before you rant please.
Whilst out for dinner tonight, the general consensus around the table was that a legitimate protest would be to effect damage to buildings occupied by the islamic faith but not to harm a hair on the head of any person.
The assumption was, that this would help to register the sheer outrage felt by the non islamic world and would perhaps drive home the intensity of feeling against the barbaric acts carried out in the name of allah, by attacking the concept of the religion rather than the followers themselves
Being completely confused by the whole issue, I chose to say nothing.
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No thanks necessary Binos.
Just highlighting that the press knew way before they were allowed to report it. As a regular flamer of our press it was encouraging to see them excersise restraint this time. Nothing more.
Confused as to why you thought I was taking some delight in 'breaking the news' when it had been announced on ITV news ten minutes prior to my starting of this thread.
Tempting to say positive I must admit. However, that is exactly what the fanactics want us to do.
I think we should be patient, as they will get their wish soon enough, if they carry on as they have been.
They started this war and if war is what they want then war is what they will surely get.
As for their treatment. Well the rules are clear. They wear no uniform in public and are not signaturies to the Geneva convention, so they should be treated accordingly, as spies are treated, in times or war. A bullit? No let them be beheaded and give them a taste of their own mediine.
My fear is that we will be unable to prevail because our culture and society make it impossible to fight them effectively...i.e. on their terms...like Vietnam.
I'm sure Mossad etc are on the prowl..I hope they succeed using whatever methods required.
I dunno. Intersting question. I have a hard time believing that these are just one or two individuals carrying this crap out however. I think the guilt is deeper and more pervasive than most people realize.
Its not a small operation to grab and keep someone for a couple of weeks and there will be some noise and other sign convieniently ignored by those around the attrocities. At the end of the day the more worn out I get by these, the less sympathetic I get for others not involved. AND SOMEONE HAS TO SUPPORT THE PEOPLE CARRYING THIS OUT. It doesn't generate revenue for groceries and rent.
Wear me out enough, and I will simply say, nuke the whole area till it glows. Harsh, unfair to those genuinely innocent, but the more these happen the more I wonder howmany really are innonocent.
In general though, I would be more interested in attacking the people than the buildings of Islam though.
Itchybum,
You know the people that lived nearby and heard the screams and did nothing.... Well they knew what they were getting themselves into by staying there so should we nuke the whole area I guess they deserved it too...
Rest easy Bigley, condolences to the family, and long painfull deaths in pigfat to the perps.
SilsoeSid says "Troops who didn't choose to go there, aren't on a short term lucrative contract, on the same pay as anywhere else in the world (probably less than someone lying on the beach in Belize/Brunei/Cyprus/Gib), paying UK tax and living in shite conditions."
They didn't choose to go to Iraq but our guys just like yours did choose to join the military. If you join the military for the swell opportunties you gotta accept some time you could be sent somewhere your life's at risk and living in shite conditions. In peace times folks don't join the military for some high fallutin ideals about serving their country. They join coz the job appeals to them. Some on this pilots website especially the helo pilots join the army coz helo training is so expensive and they get free training and a free helo pilots certificate and their set up for life when they leave.
