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http://www.ctcaviation.com/wings/040302.html
Their website also shows that they charge for the ATP.
Guess I should have applied a couple of weeks earlier
SW
Their website also shows that they charge for the ATP.
Guess I should have applied a couple of weeks earlier
SW
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Anyone else having probs with the new online form for the ATP course?
I type in my initial details which it recognises from my prior aborted Wings Cadet application and then insists that I continue with this Cadet application - no way of filling in the ATP app. Or am i missing something?
I type in my initial details which it recognises from my prior aborted Wings Cadet application and then insists that I continue with this Cadet application - no way of filling in the ATP app. Or am i missing something?
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Skywave,
As MJB has confirmed, the info is on the button, and the format has changed, for the better I might add (my opinion).. It does look wrong on the website, nobody on the ATP was charged when I was there, only cadets.
All the info is out there for the taking.
YYZ
As MJB has confirmed, the info is on the button, and the format has changed, for the better I might add (my opinion).. It does look wrong on the website, nobody on the ATP was charged when I was there, only cadets.
All the info is out there for the taking.
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Hello, I am about to send my application for the Wings ATP programme and was wondering if you have any idea if they take many foreign pilots. I just think it may be a disavantage not holding a UK license, your opinions please...
Were there any foreign pilots in your group interviews?
Thanks
Were there any foreign pilots in your group interviews?
Thanks
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There were guys from Italy, Norway, and France when I was there.
As long as you have the JAA license you will be fine, If not, I think it says on the website, "should you be successful you will be required to convert". (I'm guessing as I cannot remember nor do I have time to browse)
Best idea would be to call them and politely ask.
Good luck
YYZ
As long as you have the JAA license you will be fine, If not, I think it says on the website, "should you be successful you will be required to convert". (I'm guessing as I cannot remember nor do I have time to browse)
Best idea would be to call them and politely ask.
Good luck
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Sorry, another request for up-to-date Stage 2 info. I understand it's a PILAPT test (I'll google/proonsearch this myself) and some maths. Any particular maths I should brush up on? - no way can I remember long division! Any other helpful by PM or otherwise would be very much appreciated.
And yes, they are charging
(edit *ahem* anyone got the pilapt prep? spacedinvader at gmail
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And yes, they are charging
(edit *ahem* anyone got the pilapt prep? spacedinvader at gmail
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Costs after the course
There's a good chance that this won't get seen by the 'right' people, but it's worth asking.
I'm looking for advice from those who have gone through the AQC/Wings ATP scheme on how much it all cost them, in total? Specifically, how much of your own money did you have to pump into supporting yourselves while training at the airline?
CTC state that, during the TR, pilots "do not receive a salary but, subject to airline agreement, CTC will pay a subsistence allowance". I've heard figures of £1,000 pcm quoted but is it accurate? Moreover is that for everybody at every client airline or does it vary?
The reason I ask is because I have just enough money to pay for the course, but no more. I'd be gutted to get through the AQC only to get placed with an airline and find I couldn't afford to live near Gatwick/Luton/Manchester etc for eight months. Many people wouldn't flinch but it's a question the individual, especially those already cursed with monthly outgoings.
PM or email me at [email protected] if discretion is preferred.
I'm looking for advice from those who have gone through the AQC/Wings ATP scheme on how much it all cost them, in total? Specifically, how much of your own money did you have to pump into supporting yourselves while training at the airline?
CTC state that, during the TR, pilots "do not receive a salary but, subject to airline agreement, CTC will pay a subsistence allowance". I've heard figures of £1,000 pcm quoted but is it accurate? Moreover is that for everybody at every client airline or does it vary?
The reason I ask is because I have just enough money to pay for the course, but no more. I'd be gutted to get through the AQC only to get placed with an airline and find I couldn't afford to live near Gatwick/Luton/Manchester etc for eight months. Many people wouldn't flinch but it's a question the individual, especially those already cursed with monthly outgoings.
PM or email me at [email protected] if discretion is preferred.
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Charley,
£1000pcm is accurate. Certainly this is what Easyjet pilots get for the first 6 months as technically you are not employed by the airline during this period. Other airlines do vary, for example you may get less of an allowance from CTC but you may qualify for flight pay from the airline. All in all, it will end up around £1000 tax free. Chances are though, having passed the AQC, you will go to Easyjet.
This is why the airlines like CTC! They don't owe you anything until the contract is signed. Instead they pay CTC for the "use" of one of their pilots for these six months and CTC pay you a very modest allowance. Of course nearly all get employed at the end of this process.
This particular arrangement is very useful for charter airline's who maybe only want a pilot for the short term to plug a gap without any commitment.
£1000pcm is accurate. Certainly this is what Easyjet pilots get for the first 6 months as technically you are not employed by the airline during this period. Other airlines do vary, for example you may get less of an allowance from CTC but you may qualify for flight pay from the airline. All in all, it will end up around £1000 tax free. Chances are though, having passed the AQC, you will go to Easyjet.
This is why the airlines like CTC! They don't owe you anything until the contract is signed. Instead they pay CTC for the "use" of one of their pilots for these six months and CTC pay you a very modest allowance. Of course nearly all get employed at the end of this process.
This particular arrangement is very useful for charter airline's who maybe only want a pilot for the short term to plug a gap without any commitment.
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I recieved an email back from Jo at CTC this morning, I asked the following questions:
a) Can I apply now for the ATP scheme or do I have to wait until I aquire my JAA licence? (I hold an FAA CPL). I was told, yes, I had to wait. Not entirely customer freindly as you can only start the application process then and subsequently have to wait while its reviewed. I don't know if they accept that time is money, sitting at home after completing the JAA CPL waiting for a response is not really ideal, I'd like to get the ball rolling just now so I can go straight for it upon completion.
b) When I was at BGS a few months ago the CTC guys there told me about BA starting to take pilots, I asked if ATP guys would be considered. I was told that BA are only taking a couple of Wings pilots. I guess the number involved may change depending on how they percieve the quality of these pilots.
Just to avoid heat and usual PPRuNe madness, I'm not slating CTC, I'm adding info to the thread that will either help people or aid their decision.
a) Can I apply now for the ATP scheme or do I have to wait until I aquire my JAA licence? (I hold an FAA CPL). I was told, yes, I had to wait. Not entirely customer freindly as you can only start the application process then and subsequently have to wait while its reviewed. I don't know if they accept that time is money, sitting at home after completing the JAA CPL waiting for a response is not really ideal, I'd like to get the ball rolling just now so I can go straight for it upon completion.
b) When I was at BGS a few months ago the CTC guys there told me about BA starting to take pilots, I asked if ATP guys would be considered. I was told that BA are only taking a couple of Wings pilots. I guess the number involved may change depending on how they percieve the quality of these pilots.
Just to avoid heat and usual PPRuNe madness, I'm not slating CTC, I'm adding info to the thread that will either help people or aid their decision.
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I understand your frustration on the waiting thing...but there has to be some kind of criteria and as I have noticed; there's no such thing as a sure thing in aviation. You may plan to finish in a month or two but suddenly things change and you end up having an checkride 4 months later...what's the use of a database without knowing you can call people and invite them in the next day to start a week later?
Patience pays off in the end my friend!
Consider it already a miracle that you even got a reply so soon!!
Good luck.
Patience pays off in the end my friend!
Consider it already a miracle that you even got a reply so soon!!
Good luck.
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Granted but if you already hold a CPL from another ICAO country and you are halfay through your 14 ATPL's then it may be safe to suggest that you are going through with it. AllI was aksing them was if I could start the process (filling out the applicaiton forms) then forward the necessary documentation when I attained it, therefore the last check in the box would be made and we could schedule something ASAP.
Why not let someone start the process so as soon as they have the bit of paper from the CAA then its all plain sailing? I do hear what you say tho Zoolo. Maybe its just frusitraiting for me as I'm currently waiting.
Also, CTC have always got back to me very promptly. Unlike the majority of other aviation related companies.
Why not let someone start the process so as soon as they have the bit of paper from the CAA then its all plain sailing? I do hear what you say tho Zoolo. Maybe its just frusitraiting for me as I'm currently waiting.
Also, CTC have always got back to me very promptly. Unlike the majority of other aviation related companies.
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Chocks Away,
CTC are NOT charging for the ATP only for the wings programme.
This is not old information, it is from yesterday in fact.
They do charge for stage four, but all other stages are free. FREE!!! inc food.
YYZ
CTC are NOT charging for the ATP only for the wings programme.
This is not old information, it is from yesterday in fact.
They do charge for stage four, but all other stages are free. FREE!!! inc food.
YYZ
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You keep saying that YYZ but three of us in this thread have been charged and it states that there is a charge on the website. They happily took my money over the phone on Tuesday. In fact when you book yourself into Stage 2 it is made clear that your booking is provisional and dependent on them receiving a cheque for £164.50 within 5 days.
Has there been some misunderstanding? I could really do with that money back at the mo'!
(And I am referring to Stage 2 of the ATP, should there be any doubt).
EDIT: YYZ, if you do have information to the contrary, could you share it? Either here or by PM? I'm a bit miffed at having to pay when my Stage 2 entry is off the back of an application from a couple of months ago, before they started charging.
Has there been some misunderstanding? I could really do with that money back at the mo'!
(And I am referring to Stage 2 of the ATP, should there be any doubt).
EDIT: YYZ, if you do have information to the contrary, could you share it? Either here or by PM? I'm a bit miffed at having to pay when my Stage 2 entry is off the back of an application from a couple of months ago, before they started charging.
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Apologies if this has already been covered but I can't find it anywhere. If you do the ATP scheme, are you then employed by an airline as a "cadet" or a "direct entry first officer" ? Been looking at the thomas cook airlines website and it doesn't explain it very well.
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spacemanspiff!!!
What do you mean they don't charge for everyone?
YYZ
who did you speak to yesterday? It seems that things are continually changing and I can believe that they have started charging in the last couple of weeks, but I cannot believe they charged me and a few others within the last 10 days yet didn't charge someone yesterday. I could do with knowing your source in case we've been charged by mistake.
Cheers SW
What do you mean they don't charge for everyone?
YYZ
who did you speak to yesterday? It seems that things are continually changing and I can believe that they have started charging in the last couple of weeks, but I cannot believe they charged me and a few others within the last 10 days yet didn't charge someone yesterday. I could do with knowing your source in case we've been charged by mistake.
Cheers SW