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Whilst in Budapest I spoke to a First Officer at Wizz who was from the UK... He is VERY happy with his lifestyle and everything he told me goes against all of the negativity that is posted all over this thread.. He was on a 6/1/6/7 roster and he advised me that he normally only flies 4-5 days of the 6 on's... The overall atmosphere I experienced was very positive with a great vibe around the place..
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live on the salary with no loan required..
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Flogged to death?
There's an easy way to settle this. Syntax Error you should give 747Pro a glowing reference and recommendation to Wizz so he can find out for himself. Then see how it goes.
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Well Wizz give the opportunity for middle aged cadets to gain a first aviation position, then give them enough hours so they then can bugger off to the likes of EZY and BA... Just saying 
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Actually I am a Hungarian, who made it to the cadet program. And I think it's a great opportunity for us despite it's costs. Yes, it's a lot of money, especially here in Eastern Europe, where an ordinary people earns this amount in 30 years. It's quite different than life in the UK or anywhere in Western Europe. If you have a really great position, you can earn 700-900€ a month, not more.
For us that 1600+900€ a month is more than a lot, and you can't reach that salary only if you are a CEO of a huge company, politician, sportsman, etc.
Us, in our twenties have nothing. We live well, in great conditions, just as you, but we don't own our apartments, can't save adequate amount, can't afford a car, can't afford holidays, and it doesn't give us real safety.
But our parents have it. If they studied something useful in the communist era, now they have a safe job, a better salary, properties and safety. They are not rich, but they live a normal life without distress. So they can't afford a normal pilot training, but they can help with some money and a mortgage to their house, to make our future brighter and make our dreams come true.
Because if we pay back the 1600€ salary per month, we can live in the 900-1000€ sector pay very well in Eastern Europe. And remember, this is our home. It's not as bad as you imagine at all, it's not the third world, just some countries which had a serious communist mark, which didn't make a good history. I lived in Spain for 7 years and it's not worse, it's different. Okay, there are better and less good places. But Budapest, or Gdansk are beautiful base cities.
We can go to a normal flight school where we pay 50.000€ for the ATPL, then another 16.000 for your hours to complete 300, and then another 20.000€ for the type rating (+accommodation and stuff). It's cheaper, but almost the same, and there's no job guarantee. And you have to pay it also from a loan, because ordinary people don't have that money on their bank account. And if you don't get a pilot job as soon as possible, you can't do anything else because you have won't be able to pay back your loans. You can't go for a different job until you get a pilot position because at that time the bank takes your house.
This is why this option, despite it's higher cost, it's a better opportunity for us. Maybe not for you, but maybe this wasn't announced for people from Western Europe.
And yes, it will be hard to find the money in one month, it's a huge amount, but in 7 years I will be able to earn six times the average Hungarian salary. And I will do what I love, in an absolutely not bad roster. So it's sounds like a dream for me, sorry.
For us that 1600+900€ a month is more than a lot, and you can't reach that salary only if you are a CEO of a huge company, politician, sportsman, etc.
Us, in our twenties have nothing. We live well, in great conditions, just as you, but we don't own our apartments, can't save adequate amount, can't afford a car, can't afford holidays, and it doesn't give us real safety.
But our parents have it. If they studied something useful in the communist era, now they have a safe job, a better salary, properties and safety. They are not rich, but they live a normal life without distress. So they can't afford a normal pilot training, but they can help with some money and a mortgage to their house, to make our future brighter and make our dreams come true.
Because if we pay back the 1600€ salary per month, we can live in the 900-1000€ sector pay very well in Eastern Europe. And remember, this is our home. It's not as bad as you imagine at all, it's not the third world, just some countries which had a serious communist mark, which didn't make a good history. I lived in Spain for 7 years and it's not worse, it's different. Okay, there are better and less good places. But Budapest, or Gdansk are beautiful base cities.
We can go to a normal flight school where we pay 50.000€ for the ATPL, then another 16.000 for your hours to complete 300, and then another 20.000€ for the type rating (+accommodation and stuff). It's cheaper, but almost the same, and there's no job guarantee. And you have to pay it also from a loan, because ordinary people don't have that money on their bank account. And if you don't get a pilot job as soon as possible, you can't do anything else because you have won't be able to pay back your loans. You can't go for a different job until you get a pilot position because at that time the bank takes your house.
This is why this option, despite it's higher cost, it's a better opportunity for us. Maybe not for you, but maybe this wasn't announced for people from Western Europe.
And yes, it will be hard to find the money in one month, it's a huge amount, but in 7 years I will be able to earn six times the average Hungarian salary. And I will do what I love, in an absolutely not bad roster. So it's sounds like a dream for me, sorry.
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No, sorry, I'm not Wizz employee. But sure, I can't prove it to you, so believe whatever you want. But you might be of Ryanair and you might be here for demoralize future Wizz pilots. 
No, sorry bad joke.
I'm not saying that this is the best deal in the aviation world, but for some of us it's a great opportunity.
Please Syntax Error let me know better how life is in Easter Europe since I was living, working here for decades right now. Renting or buying a place is much more cheap, food is a lot cheaper, going out is very much cheaper. But as you said, and you're right in that, that some costs (cars, television, etc) are the same and it's easier to work for it in the west. And also if you want to go to a holiday to the west, it's very expansive for us. In this point you are absolutely right. But I for example don't want to leave my country, my family if it's possible. I know that in aviation world that's a silly thing, but with Wizz it's possible to work at your home base (not at the start, a bit later).
And of course you are not forced to stay forever with Wizz. For me the best future dream is to get a position as a captain in one of the home bases in Hungary, than work here until I can. But others can go. Fresh pilots usually go to China, Indonesia, etc to get their hours and then apply for a big airliner in Europe. Why is Wizz Air so bad then? You work there for some years and then go back to the UK and became a captain at British Airways. Or the same for an Easter European. With 5-6-7000 hours of flight he can go wherever he wants. And in that time he will be at his home, or in your case just for 3 hours of your home.
But I still don't want to leave. I want to get back to my city which has a base, in 6-7-8 years I pay back my debts, I will build a house, raise kids, and have a happy life with a dream job. Sorry I know that this bothers you because you are in a very different opinion, but this is how I see my future. I can do this with Wizz, and maybe I can't do it without.
No, sorry bad joke.I'm not saying that this is the best deal in the aviation world, but for some of us it's a great opportunity.
Please Syntax Error let me know better how life is in Easter Europe since I was living, working here for decades right now. Renting or buying a place is much more cheap, food is a lot cheaper, going out is very much cheaper. But as you said, and you're right in that, that some costs (cars, television, etc) are the same and it's easier to work for it in the west. And also if you want to go to a holiday to the west, it's very expansive for us. In this point you are absolutely right. But I for example don't want to leave my country, my family if it's possible. I know that in aviation world that's a silly thing, but with Wizz it's possible to work at your home base (not at the start, a bit later).
And of course you are not forced to stay forever with Wizz. For me the best future dream is to get a position as a captain in one of the home bases in Hungary, than work here until I can. But others can go. Fresh pilots usually go to China, Indonesia, etc to get their hours and then apply for a big airliner in Europe. Why is Wizz Air so bad then? You work there for some years and then go back to the UK and became a captain at British Airways. Or the same for an Easter European. With 5-6-7000 hours of flight he can go wherever he wants. And in that time he will be at his home, or in your case just for 3 hours of your home.
But I still don't want to leave. I want to get back to my city which has a base, in 6-7-8 years I pay back my debts, I will build a house, raise kids, and have a happy life with a dream job. Sorry I know that this bothers you because you are in a very different opinion, but this is how I see my future. I can do this with Wizz, and maybe I can't do it without.
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Every one , like you said in the previous post, if I remember well, with little bit of aviation knowledge will find out soon or later what is Wizzair aqnd not only.
But let me point you some of the main reason and this is the common reason why these Companies are Fake: Culture+Management+Staff+Communism= Crap Airline Company !!
I don't want to open a east-West debate, but the reality is that most of these guys/girls need to know what is discipline, Humilty, Politness and many other nice things, to deal better with people and collegues.
Every place where East people took part , felt down!
example
Primera Air> now almost 50% or more, are Latvians and what is a Result= Holy
Small Planet> another Hole in the Aviation
and so on.
What you said in the other thread about the Senior reporting you, bring me back in another similar situation, , we were heading towards SSH, charter flight, no cathering at all for a problem in their home base
When I went out from the cockpit I saw one of the cabin crew (East Europe) drinking from the bottle of water in front of the passengers in the fwd galley and when a father with little girl asked for a glass of water she said to him " we don't have water for you sorry, this water is for crew"....immagine how I felt
....i asked the Sir to wait for me, went to the cockpit took a glass of water from my bottle , close the curtains and gave to the little girl.
After that the CC told me that I shouldn't do that and I replied to her in a very strict way. After that I get a call to explain!!!
These people are so arrogant and they can't work with other people, they can't give a good customer care and they never have to deal face to face with customers.
Every one , like you said in the previous post, if I remember well, with little bit of aviation knowledge will find out soon or later what is Wizzair aqnd not only.
But let me point you some of the main reason and this is the common reason why these Companies are Fake: Culture+Management+Staff+Communism= Crap Airline Company !!
I don't want to open a east-West debate, but the reality is that most of these guys/girls need to know what is discipline, Humilty, Politness and many other nice things, to deal better with people and collegues.
Every place where East people took part , felt down!
example
Primera Air> now almost 50% or more, are Latvians and what is a Result= Holy
Small Planet> another Hole in the Aviation
and so on.
What you said in the other thread about the Senior reporting you, bring me back in another similar situation, , we were heading towards SSH, charter flight, no cathering at all for a problem in their home base
When I went out from the cockpit I saw one of the cabin crew (East Europe) drinking from the bottle of water in front of the passengers in the fwd galley and when a father with little girl asked for a glass of water she said to him " we don't have water for you sorry, this water is for crew"....immagine how I felt
....i asked the Sir to wait for me, went to the cockpit took a glass of water from my bottle , close the curtains and gave to the little girl.After that the CC told me that I shouldn't do that and I replied to her in a very strict way. After that I get a call to explain!!!
These people are so arrogant and they can't work with other people, they can't give a good customer care and they never have to deal face to face with customers.
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Someone who's asking about any Internal Referral to expedite the process to be called in Wizzair...
Here the news for anyone thinking about that:
1-As Internal Referral you need to have 1 year experience after Line check in Wizz
2-if the sponsorized person fail the selection, the internal referral can't sponsorise anyone else until 1 more year has been passed.
3-if the sponsored person pass the assessment and entering with Bond and broke the last before the 3 years, the internal referral if a FO, will see the Command upgrade denied forever.
4- that is my GUESS, so if the Internal referral is a CPt, it will be downgraded to FO??? LOL
What kind of rules are these??
Dear Wizz we are in the 21 century and in a civilized and democratic EU.East!
Here the news for anyone thinking about that:
1-As Internal Referral you need to have 1 year experience after Line check in Wizz
2-if the sponsorized person fail the selection, the internal referral can't sponsorise anyone else until 1 more year has been passed.
3-if the sponsored person pass the assessment and entering with Bond and broke the last before the 3 years, the internal referral if a FO, will see the Command upgrade denied forever.
4- that is my GUESS, so if the Internal referral is a CPt, it will be downgraded to FO??? LOL
What kind of rules are these??
Dear Wizz we are in the 21 century and in a civilized and democratic EU.
East!
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Well, since you didn't see my contract, you probably don't know if that payment sceme you wrote is real or not. I didn't see it yet neither, I'm waiting for it now and of course then if I don't like it, I can decide not to sign it. But at the time I still say it's a great opportunity.
And just to reflect on your argument about the holiday ticket problem: did you hear about a tiny little transport vehicle called car?
You can use that too. Of course it's not convenient if you live in Skopje and your base is Riga, but there are many bases at 250 kilometers from each other.
But of course, I don't want to convince you about anything. I'm not an idiot, I will read my contract and if I see that it's positive, I will sign it. If it's not, I will say sorry and walk away to find another way. That's it.
And just to reflect on your argument about the holiday ticket problem: did you hear about a tiny little transport vehicle called car?
You can use that too. Of course it's not convenient if you live in Skopje and your base is Riga, but there are many bases at 250 kilometers from each other. But of course, I don't want to convince you about anything. I'm not an idiot, I will read my contract and if I see that it's positive, I will sign it. If it's not, I will say sorry and walk away to find another way. That's it.
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...and also I don't know, maybe you missed that type rating is included in the program too. Also acommodation and the travel to the simulator center and back. So if you calculated the 1600€ only pay counting the repayment of the type rating, than you missed that point.
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Cpt info
Hi guys,please somebody knows more about rapid Cpt upgrade program?
How long it takes?and in particular what's a realistic salary for ntr people ?
Thanks for help
Ps how long do you think this opening will go on ?
How long it takes?and in particular what's a realistic salary for ntr people ?
Thanks for help
Ps how long do you think this opening will go on ?
