Wizzair
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry amiri air didn't call me yet ...
so in a couple of years if i have no better offers for jets i will consider wizz as a way to move on from the doooooomed props
i wonder where all you guys fly... anyway
By the way yes, i love the Balcans
so in a couple of years if i have no better offers for jets i will consider wizz as a way to move on from the doooooomed props
i wonder where all you guys fly... anyway
By the way yes, i love the Balcans
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: world
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Tango Romeo A320
Can you please, explain further the Wizz option? 30,000 euro of which how much does the candidate pay, 15,000 euro correct? This lump sum of 7,500 is paid after the 3 year bond by the pilot, in addition to the 15,000?
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks for your reply.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Europe
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
30000eur and you need to pay first 15000 eur from your pocket!
The rest will be taken every month from your salary.
The bond is for 3 years.
If you stay until the end of the period... Wizz is going to pay you back a lump sum of 7500 eur
The rest will be taken every month from your salary.
The bond is for 3 years.
If you stay until the end of the period... Wizz is going to pay you back a lump sum of 7500 eur
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Europe
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For the factorised hours... Affirm
For the lump sum as well
For the 30000 eur type rating... It is maybe 30x1000 eur deduction from salary during 30 months... Then the lump sum is paid by Wizz...
The amount highlighted during the presentation was 30000 (but 15000 eur in brackets so I supposed that a part of this amount was to be paid but it seems more likely that your salary is going to be deducted of 1000eur monthly)
For the lump sum as well
For the 30000 eur type rating... It is maybe 30x1000 eur deduction from salary during 30 months... Then the lump sum is paid by Wizz...
The amount highlighted during the presentation was 30000 (but 15000 eur in brackets so I supposed that a part of this amount was to be paid but it seems more likely that your salary is going to be deducted of 1000eur monthly)
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Planet earth
Posts: 406
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For me this is hard to believe. 3 years ago, you had a basic salary of 1666 eur ( which is the 20.000 yearly divided by 12). After passing the line check they reduce the basic salary with 1000 a month (= 666 eur gross) 15 months long. For the other remaining 15000 eur you had to sign a bond.
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I am in this forum just a couple of weeks and i am starting to get the feeling here...
So let me get this straight...
If you are 19-25 , just finished a flight school in the balkans-East EU or just an EASA school (not ctc-oxford-cae-nasa...) and there is an airline that with an extra 11.900 (thats what i paid for my FI) will give you the bus , a salary 3 times or even more the basic salary of the country that you will be stationed :
List of European countries by average wage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List_of_European_countries_by_median_wage
and
the possibility in 3 to 5 years ( just when you are 30 or less) to apply to ANY airline in the world that you like...your advice is to say no?
And do what? protest in forums about the conditions so that wizz management will change them? If you don't work hard in your early career years when will you work hard?But i can understand that we are all from different backgrounds and everybody have different opinions, but please can you give me your alternative? Ryanair ?Even if the check your CV , in my case they didn't , 36000 Euros no pay during training(if i am not mistaken) and an average salary of 2500 but you have to live in Italy-UK or ''western'' EU? Same deal if you ask me. Volotea? pay 26000 for a dead T/R and worst salary than wizz(thats p2f for me)? What other deals are out there ?
So let me get this straight...
If you are 19-25 , just finished a flight school in the balkans-East EU or just an EASA school (not ctc-oxford-cae-nasa...) and there is an airline that with an extra 11.900 (thats what i paid for my FI) will give you the bus , a salary 3 times or even more the basic salary of the country that you will be stationed :
List of European countries by average wage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List_of_European_countries_by_median_wage
and
the possibility in 3 to 5 years ( just when you are 30 or less) to apply to ANY airline in the world that you like...your advice is to say no?
And do what? protest in forums about the conditions so that wizz management will change them? If you don't work hard in your early career years when will you work hard?But i can understand that we are all from different backgrounds and everybody have different opinions, but please can you give me your alternative? Ryanair ?Even if the check your CV , in my case they didn't , 36000 Euros no pay during training(if i am not mistaken) and an average salary of 2500 but you have to live in Italy-UK or ''western'' EU? Same deal if you ask me. Volotea? pay 26000 for a dead T/R and worst salary than wizz(thats p2f for me)? What other deals are out there ?
Last edited by PropDude; 15th Feb 2015 at 07:24.
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: world
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
propdude
People mainly come on these forums to complain.
Also this mainly seems to be a English speaking forum where the majority of pilots seem to be from W. Europe. To them the conditions may be appalling. While to other citizens from countries with Wizzair basing, it is likely they make probably more then 90% of people they know with Wizzair. Of course Wizzair uses this to it's advantage, and lately seem to prefer pilots based from those countries, because the W. Europeans bail ASAP, because for them it's a terrible deal, especially if they are commuting on top of it all. After-all it is not home.
Another thing is P2F is generally something that needs to go away. Before the recent economic break-downs it was not a common practice. It picked up speed in the mid-2000s, and here we are. So pilots who remember the days where an airline properly paid for you training, are still rubbed the wrong way by this. Especially being the costs are of it are very high, and for people with experience, and with that, usually a wife and maybe kids, paying so much for a TR is ludicrous, and goes against basic principles (and it does).
Just do your thing, live your life, and take what you read here as an alternative way of thinking, because this place can make you literally depressed sometimes. On the other hand, it also often provides good information. Cheers.
Also this mainly seems to be a English speaking forum where the majority of pilots seem to be from W. Europe. To them the conditions may be appalling. While to other citizens from countries with Wizzair basing, it is likely they make probably more then 90% of people they know with Wizzair. Of course Wizzair uses this to it's advantage, and lately seem to prefer pilots based from those countries, because the W. Europeans bail ASAP, because for them it's a terrible deal, especially if they are commuting on top of it all. After-all it is not home.
Another thing is P2F is generally something that needs to go away. Before the recent economic break-downs it was not a common practice. It picked up speed in the mid-2000s, and here we are. So pilots who remember the days where an airline properly paid for you training, are still rubbed the wrong way by this. Especially being the costs are of it are very high, and for people with experience, and with that, usually a wife and maybe kids, paying so much for a TR is ludicrous, and goes against basic principles (and it does).
Just do your thing, live your life, and take what you read here as an alternative way of thinking, because this place can make you literally depressed sometimes. On the other hand, it also often provides good information. Cheers.
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
First of all : "there will be no other good jobs left" can you please give me an example? And don't dance around the answer saying go to the East or what ever. Give me a straight answer . company name. T/R they pay for you and salary. And if you can give me an answer can you tell me how many positions they offer? what about the 5000 rest low hours pilots? Should they P2f ? Should they just move on and waste all the time and money they spent or just fly ?
On my opinion rich spoiled kinds from the UK,France,Germany etc started and still support the p2f programs or the ridiculous 100,000+ euros MPL programs affiliated with the EU aviation pimps ( Oxford-CAE-CTC) . So direct your comments about labour rights to them probably.
Do you know that people go to camp (actually living in tents ) in Africa and beg for Caravan hours? Do you know people flying warriors as FIs training in terrible conditions for 9euros an hour with no basic salary? Where do you live? Where do you fly? Can you tell me please what you consider a good salary?
What kind of business today gives recent graduates a perfect salary and conditions? Can you name one please?
Friends from my high school that went for other careers, like law , business , etc and finished good schools (City , Berlin management School and the UoL ) actually spent years in internships and graduate positions before they where offered a junior executive salary.And if you include there Masters probably spent twice the typical 40.000 that i did for my CPL. The market - economy is not what it used to be 10 years ago.
On my opinion rich spoiled kinds from the UK,France,Germany etc started and still support the p2f programs or the ridiculous 100,000+ euros MPL programs affiliated with the EU aviation pimps ( Oxford-CAE-CTC) . So direct your comments about labour rights to them probably.
Do you know that people go to camp (actually living in tents ) in Africa and beg for Caravan hours? Do you know people flying warriors as FIs training in terrible conditions for 9euros an hour with no basic salary? Where do you live? Where do you fly? Can you tell me please what you consider a good salary?
What kind of business today gives recent graduates a perfect salary and conditions? Can you name one please?
Friends from my high school that went for other careers, like law , business , etc and finished good schools (City , Berlin management School and the UoL ) actually spent years in internships and graduate positions before they where offered a junior executive salary.And if you include there Masters probably spent twice the typical 40.000 that i did for my CPL. The market - economy is not what it used to be 10 years ago.
Last edited by PropDude; 15th Feb 2015 at 14:10.
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: I'd rather live close to home
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
PropDude
Just to have a feedback and try to understand what you write,I would like to know where are you from..Anyway
I'd like to point out something called, forgotten nowadays from a lot of young Uniform's "dreaming" macho, professionalism!
What we try to tell you is that is not fair to be in a bus with 180 pax and fly approx 90 h x month taking home something like Mc Donalds wage.
Your test above....well this is different story and really nice people, they understand the market, their profession, and they achieving their dream step by step.
And taking 9 euros, like you said, enjoying and having fun with some multi engine, or single engine pistons in a challenging places and flying conditions is something that you should dream about , believe me!
Responsibility is different, obbligation are different, the aircraft is different, everything is different so I think it shouldn't so hard to understand.
The same is not for WIzz for example!
Proper salary....well I can't tell how much is good or bad, depends always!
Check in the salary range and you'll find that normally you should take minimum 2 times the Wizz salary in other companies.
If Airlines Companies will always find people willing to take less and less, we soon reach a point where we will do the same as Chinese people are doing from different years nowadays in other fields= to destabilize the market. And this is what is actually happening in these years.
But....this is my Idea, this is my way to be a Pilot, to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!
Do you know that people go to camp (actually living in tents ) in Africa and beg for Caravan hours? Do you know people flying warriors as FIs training in terrible conditions for 9 euros an hour with no basic salary? Where do you live? Where do you fly? Can you tell me please what you consider a good salary?
What we try to tell you is that is not fair to be in a bus with 180 pax and fly approx 90 h x month taking home something like Mc Donalds wage.
Your test above....well this is different story and really nice people, they understand the market, their profession, and they achieving their dream step by step.
And taking 9 euros, like you said, enjoying and having fun with some multi engine, or single engine pistons in a challenging places and flying conditions is something that you should dream about , believe me!
Responsibility is different, obbligation are different, the aircraft is different, everything is different so I think it shouldn't so hard to understand.
The same is not for WIzz for example!
Proper salary....well I can't tell how much is good or bad, depends always!
Check in the salary range and you'll find that normally you should take minimum 2 times the Wizz salary in other companies.
If Airlines Companies will always find people willing to take less and less, we soon reach a point where we will do the same as Chinese people are doing from different years nowadays in other fields= to destabilize the market. And this is what is actually happening in these years.
But....this is my Idea, this is my way to be a Pilot, to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I fly in the Balcans -Eastern EU , spent 5 years working/paying(waiter-bartender and car salesman) for my CPL , one year as a cabin crew paying for my FI and after more or less 300 hours of FI (actually getting paid 9e/hour i didn't dream it ...i did it... Thank god i am lucky enough to fly a TP now in a regional airline. I am almost 34 years old though and my salary is the same with wizz
Working in the private sector for 8 years non stop while training. No big deal, lots of people do it just trying to give you some ''feedback'' as you call it...
I will not comment your last line " to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!". I don't think that you wrote it to offend anyone.
Thats why i am amazed to hear that kids just graduating refuse to go to wizz or any other company because the meals are not hot , or because you fly a lot or the money is not 3000 euros! Or what ever you think is right for a newly graduate. And as i was just reading some people even advice against Cathey
Can you tell me where you live/fly? Can you give me your alternate option? an actual airline that an average and i say that again , an average Low TT pilot can start his/hers career? Not with a BA Kingston-Oxford PHD aeronautical engineering???
Even after 10000000 hours of FI ?
"you should take minimum 2 times the Wizz salary in other companies" Examples please? For low TT only .
I know how 1600euros sounds to guys from North-West EU , but i also know from fact and personal experience that North-West Eu airlines don't hire guys like me! As a friend with 5000 hours TP and 2000 military jet coming back from a Norwegian airlines interview told me: "They will not hire anyone souther of the Alps" And you know what , i don't have nothing against that. They would probably like people with the same mentality-attitude and training and there is a huge difference between west and east
Anyway if i continue like this i will probably apply to wizz as a PR executive!
Working in the private sector for 8 years non stop while training. No big deal, lots of people do it just trying to give you some ''feedback'' as you call it...
I will not comment your last line " to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!". I don't think that you wrote it to offend anyone.
Thats why i am amazed to hear that kids just graduating refuse to go to wizz or any other company because the meals are not hot , or because you fly a lot or the money is not 3000 euros! Or what ever you think is right for a newly graduate. And as i was just reading some people even advice against Cathey
Can you tell me where you live/fly? Can you give me your alternate option? an actual airline that an average and i say that again , an average Low TT pilot can start his/hers career? Not with a BA Kingston-Oxford PHD aeronautical engineering???
Even after 10000000 hours of FI ?
"you should take minimum 2 times the Wizz salary in other companies" Examples please? For low TT only .
I know how 1600euros sounds to guys from North-West EU , but i also know from fact and personal experience that North-West Eu airlines don't hire guys like me! As a friend with 5000 hours TP and 2000 military jet coming back from a Norwegian airlines interview told me: "They will not hire anyone souther of the Alps" And you know what , i don't have nothing against that. They would probably like people with the same mentality-attitude and training and there is a huge difference between west and east
Anyway if i continue like this i will probably apply to wizz as a PR executive!
Last edited by PropDude; 15th Feb 2015 at 16:23.
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: I'd rather live close to home
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I will not comment your last line " to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!". I don't think that you wrote it to offend anyone
No PropDude,
I don't! It wasn't to offend but read behind the lines!!!
The meaning is : a Professional Pilot in my mind shall and is able to, understand the contract in fron of him, and refuse or sign if think is fit with hios position!
So as I did times ago, low TT as you said, when saw the salary and the 1000 Eur deduction from the A320 Rating and the condition, I prefered to refuse.
This is nothing to do with sacrifice! this is to put down my title, put down my effort, put down the entire Pilots rights, is to downgrade my profession, ect...
So want you know where am I now?
Flying since 2011, end, in Africa, 737, well paid, good benefits, 50/60 hours max average montly,rarely night flight,a lot of rest days, 2on 1off, 4 ticket a year and get something like a CPT of Wizz earning nowadays with 90 hours flight!
In the north=?? No man, I don'0t think so, if you have the minimum requirements that's good but not enough, you need to passa the selections...they don0t have any preferences.
West different from East= completely agree!
I 've been in some of the East countries, and spent times overthere and dealt with normal life issues ( Bulgaria, Lithuania,even if I consider more north, etc) and I could tell you something i realized:
We (West) try to find any solution to any kind of problem and in an eficent way.
They(east) they find a problem in any circumstances, and aggravate and complicate the problem, so as to have at the end more complicated problems!:rolleyes:
Since i had my job, i'm not anymore searching as low times Pilot and I know for sure, it's not going to be easy, but I alwasy say this:
If someone want to be a pilot 99,99% he will be soon or later!
Loo at me, I flow over there, pack my stuff and find a better deal even if I'm not based in Eu, but I come back every 2 month.
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wasn't offended dude , even not when you called my mind eastern We just talk here. I wasn't even crying...
Yes we are different thank god for that
"We (West) try to find any solution to any kind of problem and in an eficent way".
Yes ! correct...
So you created p2f and aviation pimping.
Anyyyyyyway...So if i understand correctly you finished your flight school and like a respected western pilot, said no to wizz , flew all the way to Africa where a company paid your 737T/R and offered you the RHS wizz salary for a commuting contract....
Would love to know that company...but i am sure you can't tell me right?
Well now maybe i will cry...or better i will not... my STBY finished 28 minutes ago and tomorrow i have off , which means i am already 28 minutes late to go straight to my 24 hours sleep ( i am getting older...)
No need to continue this argument , your solution was to go to a sandpit , probably with no life and mine is to go to the eastern Europe with low salary but nice girls.
If you think about it we are both
from the same system.
Thank you again guys for providing the info , safe landings to everyone.
Yes we are different thank god for that
"We (West) try to find any solution to any kind of problem and in an eficent way".
Yes ! correct...
So you created p2f and aviation pimping.
Anyyyyyyway...So if i understand correctly you finished your flight school and like a respected western pilot, said no to wizz , flew all the way to Africa where a company paid your 737T/R and offered you the RHS wizz salary for a commuting contract....
Would love to know that company...but i am sure you can't tell me right?
Well now maybe i will cry...or better i will not... my STBY finished 28 minutes ago and tomorrow i have off , which means i am already 28 minutes late to go straight to my 24 hours sleep ( i am getting older...)
No need to continue this argument , your solution was to go to a sandpit , probably with no life and mine is to go to the eastern Europe with low salary but nice girls.
If you think about it we are both
from the same system. Thank you again guys for providing the info , safe landings to everyone.
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: I'd rather live close to home
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"We (West) try to find any solution to any kind of problem and in an eficent way".
Yes ! correct...
So you created p2f and aviation pimping.
Yes ! correct...
So you created p2f and aviation pimping.
There certaintly something wrong with this PPRUNE nowadays, too many not Professionals here and too many people trying to mess everything...
there was FAA> JAA
then Military>Civil
and now last EAST > WEST
P2F is another Trhead dude...this one is WIZZ....
P2f created from western country??...please tell me who, where, and when...
East> a lot of east company are doing the P2F, in some old and very SAFE company!! sarcastic Obvious
A lot of TRTO ( i think you know what does it mean)...look BAA and Air Baltic...selling TR and LT...SHAME!!!!!
So if i understand correctly you finished your flight school and like a respected western pilot, said no to wizz , flew all the way to Africa where a company paid your 737T/R and offered you the RHS wizz salary for a commuting contract.
I said I take as FO( and i'm not even flying 60 hours x month) the same salary as a Wizz Captain salary(who fly 90x month).....
I supposed that i did't have to mention FO..oh well sorry, understand that in east country every one became a MANAGER; SUPERVISOR,CAPTAIN with no experience, but here in the West we use years of experience before to promote someone
No need to continue this argument , your solution was to go to a sandpit , probably with no life and mine is to go to the eastern Europe with low salary but nice girls
If you think about it we are both from the same system.
I like that..
Good Luck to you...you deserve i think...or You can Go fly for Small planet...
maybe as Captain and happy to take 4K net x month!
lolGame Over Dude..
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wow...a bit hostile answer and i tried to close my last post on a friendly notice.
Maybe u are taking everything a bit personal...be careful this is the eastern way...
Calm your superior western mind my friend... and enjoy your sunny african nation with hot girls. An expirienced 737 FO like you should be more calm
And yes this is a wizzair forum, so why are you here again?
Also, what game is over??? Nice touch for a mean post i have to admit
Maybe u are taking everything a bit personal...be careful this is the eastern way...
Calm your superior western mind my friend... and enjoy your sunny african nation with hot girls. An expirienced 737 FO like you should be more calm
And yes this is a wizzair forum, so why are you here again?
Also, what game is over??? Nice touch for a mean post i have to admit
Last edited by PropDude; 15th Feb 2015 at 18:55.
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: I'd rather live close to home
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wow...a bit hostile answer and i tried to close my last post on a friendly notice.
Maybe u are taking everything a bit personal...be careful this is the eastern way..
Nothing personally, I'm just answering to you-
Calm your superior western mind my friend... and enjoy your sunny african nation with hot girls. An expirienced 737 FO like you should be more calm
Really?..so You can see me?? amazing! and know if I'm calm or not..
Maybe you have to change job if you've got this talent!
And yes this is a wizzair forum, so why are you here again?
Also, what game is over??? Nice touch for a mean post i have to admit
That's all.. no offence, you'll find someone else to spend your afternoons with
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: IRS NAV ONLY
Posts: 1,230
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Flying since 2011, end, in Africa, 737, well paid, good benefits, 50/60 hours max average montly,rarely night flight,a lot of rest days, 2on 1off, 4 ticket a year and get something like a CPT of Wizz earning nowadays with 90 hours flight!
You obviously cannot compare a salary for flying from EU base to EU destinations (well, 90% of them) to flying from Africa to Africa. Apples and oranges. I agree, you should be and luckily you are compensated for working in much more difficult flying/living environment (I've been there), but some people prefer to be home or at least close to home and accept a bit lower salary for this privilege. And no, being a pilot does not mean you must live out of your suitcase - as much as some management guys want us to believe.
You'll never get everything you want. If you disagree, please find me a job that makes me fly brand new aircraft 10 days a month from my home - and all this for only 20 k€/month net.
I supposed that i did't have to mention FO..oh well sorry, understand that in east country every one became a MANAGER; SUPERVISOR,CAPTAIN with no experience, but here in the West we use years of experience before to promote someone
