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Hello!
First of all, please don't judge my earlier mistakes due to hanging out with the wrong people..
I have recently got a job offer with one of the major airlines in europe, but there is a little problem.
I once failed a drug test in Sweden, which was inaccurate but I was still fined.
The offence was listed as minor drug offence which mean that I was not caught with any possession of illegal drugs, only had it in my urine. As Sweden is the only country in europe (I think) where this is an illegal action I wonder if I will pass the criminal background check made by DBS in uk?
I would be very thankful with any help or guidance on this problem and please don't remind me that I did wrong, I know and i'v heard it before.
First of all, please don't judge my earlier mistakes due to hanging out with the wrong people..
I have recently got a job offer with one of the major airlines in europe, but there is a little problem.
I once failed a drug test in Sweden, which was inaccurate but I was still fined.
The offence was listed as minor drug offence which mean that I was not caught with any possession of illegal drugs, only had it in my urine. As Sweden is the only country in europe (I think) where this is an illegal action I wonder if I will pass the criminal background check made by DBS in uk?
I would be very thankful with any help or guidance on this problem and please don't remind me that I did wrong, I know and i'v heard it before.
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Personally I find it annoying when people come onto the forum to ask if their past convictions for drug taking or drink driving will cause them a problem in obtaining an airside pass, particularly when they try to mitigate their actions by apportioning part or all of the blame elsewhere. Becoming a professional pilot is a huge responsibility and requires people who take responsibility for their actions. So you may have "heard it before", but there might be a very good reason for that.
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Get over yourself G-force.
Getting an airside pass for the uk seems to be only concerned with convictions, indeed that's all they care about for their domestic background checks. Sounds to me like this didn't go to court so may not be a conviction?
Best request a police certificate and see how they have it listed.
Getting an airside pass for the uk seems to be only concerned with convictions, indeed that's all they care about for their domestic background checks. Sounds to me like this didn't go to court so may not be a conviction?
Best request a police certificate and see how they have it listed.
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G-FORCE, considering your profile contains a direct link to your BAFPP blog, you should seriously reconsider some of the utter tosh you put on here (you can save it for your blog).
Anyway, asking for your record from the police is a good idea as it gives you a clear understanding of where you stand. There is an opportunity in the application to explain yourself and they, of course, will look into it themselves.
Good luck!
Anyway, asking for your record from the police is a good idea as it gives you a clear understanding of where you stand. There is an opportunity in the application to explain yourself and they, of course, will look into it themselves.
Good luck!
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Sorry you feel that way. The vast majority of my posts do nothing but try to help people as best as I can.
I appreciate that people make mistakes. But my main point was that when you make a mistake you should take responsibility for it. A recruitment team will respect you far more if you hold your hands up and admit to your mistakes than if you start to make excuses in order to distance yourself from them: "due to hanging out with the wrong people", "which was inaccurate but I was still fined", "only had it in my urine".
I appreciate that people make mistakes. But my main point was that when you make a mistake you should take responsibility for it. A recruitment team will respect you far more if you hold your hands up and admit to your mistakes than if you start to make excuses in order to distance yourself from them: "due to hanging out with the wrong people", "which was inaccurate but I was still fined", "only had it in my urine".
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Understand your point mate but it doesn't need to be said, particularly when it's pointed out in the original post. It comes across as 'holier than thou' and reeks disgustingly of arrogance...the type which lends itself to the adage "how do you know there's a pilot in the room? Because he'll 
tell You."
A bit of humility and compassion goes a long way man. Try not to get sucked into the airline ego massaging and remember you're just a trainee A320 technician, not the Dalai Lama. Be careful of how you're perceived and appreciate the time and place.
tell You."A bit of humility and compassion goes a long way man. Try not to get sucked into the airline ego massaging and remember you're just a trainee A320 technician, not the Dalai Lama. Be careful of how you're perceived and appreciate the time and place.
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[QUOTE]Personally I find it annoying when people come onto the forum to ask if their past convictions for drug taking or drink driving will cause them a problem in obtaining an airside pass, particularly when they try to mitigate their actions by apportioning part or all of the blame elsewhere. Becoming a professional pilot is a huge responsibility and requires people who take responsibility for their actions. So you may have "heard it before", but there might be a very good reason for that./QUOTE]
BA are welcome to you.
Your blog now that is annoying..
BA are welcome to you.
Your blog now that is annoying..
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efarto: thanks, although unfortunately I wouldn't say I have wide experience or knowledge of the industry. But I share what I do have and hope it's helpful. Training going well thanks for asking. 
Others; let's give it a rest now?
Others; let's give it a rest now?
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Ok guys i think the bashing can stop now, in no way does it help anyone, not least the OP.
Excon1: the best advice I can give is to go to try and contact your local police station and see how your conviction is viewed in the UK. If that get's you nowhere then I would say to probably contact the CAA and ask about foreign convictions for crimes that aren't illegal in the UK.
Excon1: the best advice I can give is to go to try and contact your local police station and see how your conviction is viewed in the UK. If that get's you nowhere then I would say to probably contact the CAA and ask about foreign convictions for crimes that aren't illegal in the UK.
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It isn't your place to be doling out advice to anyone.
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Spent convictions and police disclosure
Most countries in Europe have a time after which certain convictions are considered spent or effectively never to have existed. This is to prevent one's potential career from being ruined by a small incident as a youngster.
In the UK for example, non-custodial convictions are spent after 5 years. Insurance companies and employers are not entitled to know about them and police vetting will not disclose them.
When applying for a job, your future employer will seek details of your history from the state in which you resided and it is the rules of the state you resided in which determine whether or not a previous conviction will be disclosed. For instance, in Ireland, certain less serious convictions are considered spent after 7 years. The same conviction would be spent in the UK after 5. So if applying for a job with and Irish company and you had a UK conviction 6 years ago, the Irish company would not be made aware of this by UK police. So effectively you would not have to disclose this.
So check with police vetting in the state that the incident took place. Check with the police vetting unit if you can contact them. Don't just pop into your local police station as they may not know and will just advise you to disclose.
Hope that helps! Best of luck!
In the UK for example, non-custodial convictions are spent after 5 years. Insurance companies and employers are not entitled to know about them and police vetting will not disclose them.
When applying for a job, your future employer will seek details of your history from the state in which you resided and it is the rules of the state you resided in which determine whether or not a previous conviction will be disclosed. For instance, in Ireland, certain less serious convictions are considered spent after 7 years. The same conviction would be spent in the UK after 5. So if applying for a job with and Irish company and you had a UK conviction 6 years ago, the Irish company would not be made aware of this by UK police. So effectively you would not have to disclose this.
So check with police vetting in the state that the incident took place. Check with the police vetting unit if you can contact them. Don't just pop into your local police station as they may not know and will just advise you to disclose.
Hope that helps! Best of luck!
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Ive never read such a load of tosh. In order to gain a UK Airside pass(typically a BAA pass) then you need a Basic Disclosure. You can apply it for it yourself or your company can. Either way, you get a certificate which will show all 'unpsent' convictions. For definition of 'unspent' convictions then refer to Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. The DFT(as per their website) list all offences which are disqualifying for an ID pass....refer to the list. A minor drug possesion offence is not one. For applicants from overseas for a UK pass then you must provide a disclosure type certificate covering any country you were resident within for more than 6 months over the preceeding 5 years. End of!
Edited to add - dont go to your local Police Office, they have nothing to do with airside passes and they dont hand out Basic Disclosures as per the DFT requirements. They quite literally wont have the foggiest what your on about. Similarly, dont go asking the CAA, its nothing to do with them either, and in any case whoever you speak to probably wont have a clue.
Edited to add - dont go to your local Police Office, they have nothing to do with airside passes and they dont hand out Basic Disclosures as per the DFT requirements. They quite literally wont have the foggiest what your on about. Similarly, dont go asking the CAA, its nothing to do with them either, and in any case whoever you speak to probably wont have a clue.
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G-force ... let me give you a bit of advice
A very long time ago when I was a young whippersnapper student pilot I was fortunate enough to spend an evening drinking with the at-the-time Chief Pilot and head of recruitment for Air New Zealand. When asked about the subject of recruitment criteria and interviews in general, he said something very wise which stuck with me all these years
"We already know you can fly the plane or we wouldn't have called you for the interview. What we are interested in is, are you a or not, can we sit next to you for 12 hours without getting p!ssed off at you"
I'll leave it at that. Think about it
A very long time ago when I was a young whippersnapper student pilot I was fortunate enough to spend an evening drinking with the at-the-time Chief Pilot and head of recruitment for Air New Zealand. When asked about the subject of recruitment criteria and interviews in general, he said something very wise which stuck with me all these years
"We already know you can fly the plane or we wouldn't have called you for the interview. What we are interested in is, are you a
or not, can we sit next to you for 12 hours without getting p!ssed off at you"I'll leave it at that. Think about it
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Officer Kite - the advice you were offering was wrong, like a number of others. The OP needs the facts, not answers pulled from a lucky bag. All the information and criteria for airside passes are laid out in the DFT website. Definitions are available for Spent/Unspent convictions and disqualifying criteria are clearly listed, for all transport sectors. The process of obtaining a 'Basic' disclosure certificate takes about 10 days from completing online. As ive said already, going to the local Police Office or contacting the CAA is a waste of everyones time, it has nothing to do with them. I wasnt chewing your head off. I dont post on here often, but feel compelled to when I read a thread like this and realise some poor chap is being fed a load of duff gen by people who have no idea what the answer is.....armchair expert syndrome.
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G-F0RC3, when lots of people tell you that you're being a , they're either all wrong, or you need to take another look at yourself in the humility department.
To the OP, what's the date of this offence? If it's outside 5 years you probably have nothing to worry about. Even if it's not, just apply for the basic disclosure as said. You'll be fine.
, they're either all wrong, or you need to take another look at yourself in the humility department. To the OP, what's the date of this offence? If it's outside 5 years you probably have nothing to worry about. Even if it's not, just apply for the basic disclosure as said. You'll be fine.
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I have done quite a few security vetting applications for the Police down under. I can't speak for your part of the world but a single instance here would not be that bad..background checks go into a lot of detail..disclosing that offence will probably be cause for a bigger dig at your background and any associates that you may have been around..that is what causes most of the problems..the people linked to you in the database.
All you can do is apply..be honest and get an outcome.
As for the bashing..having dealt with a huge variety of people in my time..people make mistakes..good people make mistakes..none of know the background of the OP misdemeanor so we are all just speculating.
All you can do is apply..be honest and get an outcome.
As for the bashing..having dealt with a huge variety of people in my time..people make mistakes..good people make mistakes..none of know the background of the OP misdemeanor so we are all just speculating.
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Officer Kite - the advice you were offering was wrong, like a number of others. The OP needs the facts, not answers pulled from a lucky bag. All the information and criteria for airside passes are laid out in the DFT website. Definitions are available for Spent/Unspent convictions and disqualifying criteria are clearly listed, for all transport sectors. The process of obtaining a 'Basic' disclosure certificate takes about 10 days from completing online. As ive said already, going to the local Police Office or contacting the CAA is a waste of everyones time, it has nothing to do with them. I wasnt chewing your head off. I dont post on here often, but feel compelled to when I read a thread like this and realise some poor chap is being fed a load of duff gen by people who have no idea what the answer is.....armchair expert syndrome.
Maybe you need to check the name of this website, it's called a "RUMOUR NETWORK", which more or less implies that people will try to help the best they can although it must be expected that some things will be incorrect. I can fully accept being wrong, nobody is perfect. Get off your high horse, honestly that has to be one of the most condescending posts I've seen in this section.
