P2F -- Legality
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How does an airline benefit from pay to fly ? Don't they have to pay the TRI on every sector and a safety FO on most of the sectors ?
All of this plus the added risk of training flights with usually incompetent pilots and might I add a terrible reputation for the company.
All of this plus the added risk of training flights with usually incompetent pilots and might I add a terrible reputation for the company.
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@pilotchute
Believe what you want. From SFC's own website:
"Since its inception, the College has trained more than 1,900 cadets for the Singapore Airlines Group and since it began enrolling self-sponsored candidates in 2006, had inducted more than 30 self-sponsored candidates, many of whom have become airline pilots."
You can search many forums (including this forum) to see that at least a few of these self-sponsored candidates were accepted into the SIA group of airlines.
The acceptance standards for the self-sponsored students are still quite high (they don't take just any Joe off the street) but obviously these are students who for whatever reason were NOT accepted into the regular ab-initio program and had to pay their own way.
Believe what you want. From SFC's own website:
"Since its inception, the College has trained more than 1,900 cadets for the Singapore Airlines Group and since it began enrolling self-sponsored candidates in 2006, had inducted more than 30 self-sponsored candidates, many of whom have become airline pilots."
You can search many forums (including this forum) to see that at least a few of these self-sponsored candidates were accepted into the SIA group of airlines.
The acceptance standards for the self-sponsored students are still quite high (they don't take just any Joe off the street) but obviously these are students who for whatever reason were NOT accepted into the regular ab-initio program and had to pay their own way.
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From a regulatory perspective there is no difference between a P2F pilot and a regular pilot. Both must be qualified by whatever flight authority to serve as FO / SIC for the flight. It's just one is willing to pay and the other wants to be paid.
Some P2Fs are non-scheduled cargo ops (i.e., FAA Part 135 in the US) -- these flights don't even require an FO as they may be operated with a single pilot with an approved autopilot in place.
So they can let anyone who under regulations can legally log SIC to sit on the right seat and charge for that "privilege".
Note that in this case the P2F pilot isn't strictly "taking away a job" from anyone else, since an SIC isn't required anyway.
As I said before this is a moral / ethical issue, not really about rules or regulation or even "safety". But morals and ethics are subjective, and what is considered "acceptable practice" changes over time.
From a regulatory perspective there is no difference between a P2F pilot and a regular pilot. Both must be qualified by whatever flight authority to serve as FO / SIC for the flight. It's just one is willing to pay and the other wants to be paid.
Some P2Fs are non-scheduled cargo ops (i.e., FAA Part 135 in the US) -- these flights don't even require an FO as they may be operated with a single pilot with an approved autopilot in place.
So they can let anyone who under regulations can legally log SIC to sit on the right seat and charge for that "privilege".
Note that in this case the P2F pilot isn't strictly "taking away a job" from anyone else, since an SIC isn't required anyway.
As I said before this is a moral / ethical issue, not really about rules or regulation or even "safety". But morals and ethics are subjective, and what is considered "acceptable practice" changes over time.
