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Is an OML a barrier if you're applying for a job at an entry level?
It is according to some threads. If so, why?
There aren't many scenarios when a large commercial airline would want a pilot to fly solo, so why would it put them off?
That does amount to discrimination.
Is an OML a barrier if you're applying for a job at an entry level?
It is according to some threads. If so, why?
There aren't many scenarios when a large commercial airline would want a pilot to fly solo, so why would it put them off?
That does amount to discrimination.
If you have a number of Captains with an OML then it becomes more difficult to roster an F.O. with the same restriction. When I was a new F.O. we had a number of skippers over 60 a few with OML, and 1 F.O. over 60 with an OML, I used to pick up lots of roster changes when he was mis rostered.
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Interesting!!
Thank you. That's interesting.
If two people have an OML for the same condition, I can understand why you wouldn't fly them together.
If they have different reasons for an OML, the chances of both of them being unable to fly the aircraft are probably the same as that for two 'normal' pilots both being unable to fly the aircraft, for whatever reason.
I'm sure a mathematician could work out the probabilities.
Q: Has anyone recently been employed with an OML in the UK at entry level?
With anyone? I'm not necessarily talking about the big airlines here.
If two people have an OML for the same condition, I can understand why you wouldn't fly them together.
If they have different reasons for an OML, the chances of both of them being unable to fly the aircraft are probably the same as that for two 'normal' pilots both being unable to fly the aircraft, for whatever reason.
I'm sure a mathematician could work out the probabilities.
Q: Has anyone recently been employed with an OML in the UK at entry level?
With anyone? I'm not necessarily talking about the big airlines here.
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Can't answer you question I am afraid but if you have not shelled out on training yet ask yourself this. If I were a recruiter would I employ the candidate who meets our criteria or the one who meets our criteria but has a OML?
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Good point
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Yes, my conundrum.
Cold logic says no, heart says goes for it. I've always wanted to be an airline pilot. Always.
Haven't started training yet. Don't want to go US, Canada or Aus, where I could get medical without OML.
If I graduate and there's an upturn in recruiting, who knows. Perhaps someone might give me a chance. Perhaps.
I could end up crying as well. But as least I will have tried.
Yes, my conundrum.
Cold logic says no, heart says goes for it. I've always wanted to be an airline pilot. Always.
Haven't started training yet. Don't want to go US, Canada or Aus, where I could get medical without OML.
If I graduate and there's an upturn in recruiting, who knows. Perhaps someone might give me a chance. Perhaps.
I could end up crying as well. But as least I will have tried.
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I know where you are coming from. I had a class one given but under observation for two years. It all worked out in the end. Is this a definate OML or is it to be discussed at the CAA? As for FAA etc unless you have rights to work its not worth much. I was determined like you are and went and got my FAA one. It then became apparent it was going to be a massive gamble with terrible odds. I closed the book on it. I felt loads better and at peace, then came my class one medical approved from the CAA. Even with good results, loads of pushing etc it was very very hard to get my first job. When it did come it was just right place, right time and some percsistance. Will you get a job with a OML? With experience doing a fixed term contract maybe. Will you get a career with a airline? I would have thought there are less restrictive options for airlines out there. Remember there has never been a shortage of newly qualified low hour pilots. Only you can decide if the risk is worth it but with my hinde sight I would suggest putting 100k on the horses would be less of a risk. Sorry. This is however only my opinion and employers are obliged to offer equal employment opportunities
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Sigh :(
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I'm really glad it's worked out for you. Persistence is an underrated quality.
My ideal scenario is an integrated ATPL course (untagged) followed by a job with an airline.
But I would be happy with almost any commercial pilot job.
The good news is that I won't need a loan (I've been saving all my life for this).
The bad news is that I don't think I'll be able to persuade the CAA to make it a temporary OML, though I haven't given up. If it was, I don't think it would be as big an issue if a prospective employer knew it would be unrestricted say after 12 months of work!!!
Decisions, decisions ... I'm afraid my persistence means that a gamble is likely.
I'm really glad it's worked out for you. Persistence is an underrated quality.
My ideal scenario is an integrated ATPL course (untagged) followed by a job with an airline.
But I would be happy with almost any commercial pilot job.
The good news is that I won't need a loan (I've been saving all my life for this).
The bad news is that I don't think I'll be able to persuade the CAA to make it a temporary OML, though I haven't given up. If it was, I don't think it would be as big an issue if a prospective employer knew it would be unrestricted say after 12 months of work!!!
Decisions, decisions ... I'm afraid my persistence means that a gamble is likely.
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i have a OML, been flying for 3 years on it in Asia, back in the UK now for a year seeking work.. not because of my OML but because there just is no work.
Don't give up on your dreams, pursue them or you may well come to regret it later in life!!!
Don't give up on your dreams, pursue them or you may well come to regret it later in life!!!
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Cheers
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Thank you for your supportive message. I'm glad you understand my predicament. Yes, follow your dreams ...
And the very best of luck with your job search. Please let us know how you get on.
Thank you for your supportive message. I'm glad you understand my predicament. Yes, follow your dreams ...
And the very best of luck with your job search. Please let us know how you get on.
Just updating this thread with a point of interest.
I had an OML placed on my initial Class 1 due to a severe head injury in 2005. I thought this would be a barrier to a commercial year so decided against the modular route.
This year I applied for the BAFPP and was successful. After receiving news of my success I was slightly down beat as I thought the OML would rule me out. However I was surprised to find that BA Health Services do not view an OML as a barrier to cadet entry provided you can go down the normal CPL ME/IR training route and have unrestricted Class 2 privileges.
So there you have it, perhaps some hope for those with an OML on their initial Class 1.
I had an OML placed on my initial Class 1 due to a severe head injury in 2005. I thought this would be a barrier to a commercial year so decided against the modular route.
This year I applied for the BAFPP and was successful. After receiving news of my success I was slightly down beat as I thought the OML would rule me out. However I was surprised to find that BA Health Services do not view an OML as a barrier to cadet entry provided you can go down the normal CPL ME/IR training route and have unrestricted Class 2 privileges.
So there you have it, perhaps some hope for those with an OML on their initial Class 1.
