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Old 1st Apr 2014, 13:09
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Flybe is in a better position than it was, i.e. it is still a going concern.

Before Flybe made its drastic redundancies etc., however, people did not get that much warning and therefore you can’t be sure of what’s around the corner.

That’s true of all airlines, but Flybe has a market cap of £0.3 billion versus nearly £7 billion for say EZY.

Yous pay your money...
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 13:12
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Agreed on the better to be paid line than not. That said the hours do not rise that fast at all in Flybe. The number of landings however will rapidly build up.

Can't complain too much about 'Feels Like You Are Being Exploited'. They paid for my training and paid me to leave. Far better than FR.

I wish them luck and those who apply. On a serious note I would personally explore and exhaust the BA FPP first. Given the under crewing at BA on the SH LHR, some wings cadets who are not airline associated may soon get a very lucky break.

Fingers crossed for all those looking for jobs.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 19:01
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Really. If you had the choice to fly a jet in your current situation you wouldn't?

there's a whole bunch who just wants to go from zero to hero and straight into a lovely fandangled shiny lovely cosy wubbly jet and bypass the rest, and in doing so they also have the opinion that aTP is way beneath their SkyGod like prowess.
But like the Murphy's...
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 19:47
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LSM

No actually, and I know many will scoff at this, but I would choose the dash. Right now I am developing as a pilot massively, flying a complex aircraft, on multiple sectors in the weather. And yes it does break sometimes, and at those times there are decisions to be made.

In the future, things may be different, but right now the turboprop experience is invaluable and is giving me a solid grounding for the rest of my career. The dash IS a challenge to fly well, but incredibly rewarding.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 20:13
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Drivez,

Everything you've written can be equally applied to a jet, except operating a jet is arguably more relevant to your future (unless you want to stay on a TP forever).

If Flybe had gone tits up last year who do you think would have fared better?
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 20:05
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You must be inundated with applications from highly experienced Airbus and Boeing pilots then, probably so many that you don't need to run a partial sponsorship course...
Perhaps more heavy time/rotary/FJ ex RAF peeps.

Bit harsh though LSM. The Dash is better than shelf stacking or bar work when leaving Oxford/CTC/FTE etc etc. many opt just for that. Others really give it a shot and hold out by working as performance engineers in a flight ops department and put what they learnt to use. Then those with cash or equity to burn go for P2F TRs. It is hard o say what the right route is. Frankly it is all personal choice.
I know of P2F Ryan boys and gals in BA/EK after 4/5 years and BE gals and boys in MON/FZ/BA/EZY/LS after 4/5 years. Some have paid for TRs, some have not. Some have 4 TRs some have 1 or 2. But not one person I know if has paid for more than one, if any.
The makings of your career are in your hands only and no one else's.

For those interested in the three schools mentioned, they really are all the same these days. Very very little between them. Just do lots of research and pick the one best for you.
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Old 3rd Apr 2014, 22:27
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What chance of Flybe opening up for experienced bods like myself? I'd kill for the chance to move back to the UK, be based at a smaller regional airport and see out the remaining 35 years (touch wood) I have left in this industry with Flybe. I have nearly 3,000 hours, 800 on turboprops, 2,000 jet. Been flying in and out of some of the world's biggest and busiest airports on the other side of the pond, as well as some much smaller, even uncontrolled ones to boot. I'm about to move on to the EMB-175, but have a feeling that even with plenty of time on type it would be hard for me to get a call from Flybe because I haven't recently come out of one of the 'big three'.
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 12:41
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It's a shame that Flybe no longer take on fresh pilots. I just missed out on a Q400 job with them when I had just got my IR (modular). They used to. E one of the few companies that hired modular graduates, and they are few and far between. They used to ask around their associated flight schools for recommendations but I understand they no longer do so. I believe they asked for people in recent practice - 50h in the last 6 months.

Speaking as someone who ended up in the RHS of a 737 with a little over 500tt I can say that my future opportunities are indeed probably better these days, but as an unemployed chap with a CPL/IR I would have been delighted to work for Flybe.

To be fair, as someone for whom a debt free modular existence was the only realistic path, I am not a good opinion former for the integrated moon-chasing types.
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Old 4th Apr 2014, 18:36
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Airbus (for example) time and look at the future. What do you think they'll want to do and why? They'll choose more relevant experience and greater future earnings. End of. I don't think the carrot of free parking and uniform will change their mind when they realise they'll be stuck on a Dash for at least five years.
When the scheme falls flat on it's face due to lack of applicants you will be vindicated. But as you have harped on about this for years (sounding like '5 stripes' in the process) I doubt you will be. The scheme will run as applicants who meet the requirements will be selected. If you really want to be a barrier, go to the flyer show and confront the flybe team head on. You will have the perfect forum for change.
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Old 9th Apr 2014, 09:54
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Why Integrated now. Why no more MPL Flybe?
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 18:31
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Some encouraging news!

Flybe’s Captain Ian Baston also presented on the day, and had some positive news from Flybe, which as recently as February this year, was announcing redundancies and a reduction in fleet and base size. Over 200 pilots have left Flybe in the last 14 months. Baston explained, “That’s just how fast this industry moves. We were caught on the hoof at the end of 2013, and had no choice but to restructure, to build confidence in the business. 200 pilots took voluntary redundancy and we reduced our entire workforce significantly; these restructuring moves generated cash and confidence from the city. But we have turned a corner and have now shown we can move forward as a company. Pilot recruitment at Flybe will be increasing from now on.”
Things appear to be on the up again.
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Old 28th Apr 2014, 10:44
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By reading through the comments on this forum, it seems almost everyone is very apprehensive and negative about this program.

Just wondering have many people applied/ have those who have applied heard anything back from screening etc?

Cheers!
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Old 30th Apr 2014, 01:17
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Hi,

I got the same feeling by reading through this forum.

However I did my own research and applied.

I understand the financial situation of the company better and feel comfortable applying.

This is a great opportunity!

Did you apply?
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Old 30th Apr 2014, 08:58
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Yes I too did my own research and applied for it. I applied last tuesday, still waiting to hear anything back from them.

Have you heard anything back from them?
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Old 30th Apr 2014, 11:13
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Hi all.

So I went through the BA FPP and got through to the final round but didn't quite make the cut. I was considering taking the direct ATPL Wings course with CTC, but started to hear from independent sources of the unspoken but inherent risks involved (P2F, airlines only offering temp contracts with reduced terms etc). Since I am effectively at a loose end, I decided to apply for this partly to make an honest attempt to explore all avenues of airline "sponsored" entry into the aviation industry, but also to try and keep myself fresh and ready for upcoming assessment processes such as easyjet, Monarch and BA.

I've been reading the posts here, and I understand the concerns that some people have (we should have a better idea of Flybe's most recent financial performance within the next two months), but I have a question. People have been acting as if a TR on a TP aircraft is a one-way avenue, but surely if you have a full ATPL and enough hours under your belt, you can still go and get another TR further down the line if you need or want to? I understand that it's a lot of money on top of what you've already paid, but surely it isn't the be all and end all?
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Old 30th Apr 2014, 13:19
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People have been acting as if a TR on a TP aircraft is a one-way avenue, but surely if you have a full ATPL and enough hours under your belt, you can still go and get another TR further down the line
It's more that when you go on looking for other jobs down the line, TP is nowhere near as valuable as jet time, so a 737 or A320 rating is far more marketable for future employment.

But it's a job, and the rating comes with it, so I wouldn't be moaning.
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Old 2nd May 2014, 14:43
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Hi all,

I'm not understand why some people have a negative view on this program. I discussed with current pilots, and by their views, with the actual situation of crew employment, this program not seems to be an scam. Yes the salary isn't like BA or EasyJet, but I think flying turboprops is a normal step in a commercial pilot life. All pro-pilot who I met started their career on a turboprop like the Q400 or with a piston like a DC3 for older's.

Thats why I applied, wait and see ...
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Old 6th May 2014, 13:12
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Hi guys
Just applied to the FTE Flybe MPL.
Does anybody have information about this programme? I'm trying to find the total flight time during the training but I didn't find anything.
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Old 7th May 2014, 07:39
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Hi Laurapintas,

The flybe cadet program isn't a MPL but an ATPL integrated program :

Training | CTC Wings

In my memory you'll have around 200 hours of flight at the end of the CTC courses.

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Old 7th May 2014, 08:28
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The CTC Flybe scheme is CPL and MEIR with MCC but the FTE scheme is MPL.
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