Have you given up?
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Don't give up.
I have been looking for a job for two years now.
Yesterday I got a call back from a flight school where I was interviewed. If I only pass the psych evaluation I will be moving to San Diego to work as a full time flight instructor.
Work hard and become the best pilot you can be. Sooner or later a job will appear.
I have been looking for a job for two years now.
Yesterday I got a call back from a flight school where I was interviewed. If I only pass the psych evaluation I will be moving to San Diego to work as a full time flight instructor.
Work hard and become the best pilot you can be. Sooner or later a job will appear.
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Futur?
Even if you got lucky to get a job... For how long.?
Have seen resume of guys with 10 different employers.
The difference now is that there is no job anymore. Before market was unstable, and now with all these bankruptcies where we go?
Better to give up... Belive me. I know guys who left aviation 3 years ago and are now smiling to have back a normal life.
Not worth to cut your veins just for a few hours in a plane or spending a life on line to look for a job which doesn't really exist as this profession became nowadays just a hobby through pay to fly scheme.
Still some pilots will be happy to fly some single engine in **** hole places but soon they will realise this job is more a pain with low paid, no freedom, and always this what I do next? " bad feeling.
Have seen resume of guys with 10 different employers.
The difference now is that there is no job anymore. Before market was unstable, and now with all these bankruptcies where we go?
Better to give up... Belive me. I know guys who left aviation 3 years ago and are now smiling to have back a normal life.
Not worth to cut your veins just for a few hours in a plane or spending a life on line to look for a job which doesn't really exist as this profession became nowadays just a hobby through pay to fly scheme.
Still some pilots will be happy to fly some single engine in **** hole places but soon they will realise this job is more a pain with low paid, no freedom, and always this what I do next? " bad feeling.
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WITH GOD ALLTHINGS ARE POSSIBLE
@ bealzebub well said
in reply to this topic, giving up is not an option
im a 250+ CPL/ME/IR pilot with no job, i admit my inexperience makes me unattractive to airlines and charter companies which is as expected
but im still persistent and consistent that change will come
i try to renew my ratings and licenses, working on my flight instructor rating and IATRA written.$$$$ is tight, bills are piling up but my goal remains my goal. i will get there and im going wherever aviation takes me even if my GF leaves me
i feel like giving it all up sometimes but i remember what lies within me is stronger that what lies before me.......KEEP THE FAITH GUYS
He who caters for the fishes of the sea and the birds of the air will also cater for you if you but believe
in reply to this topic, giving up is not an option
im a 250+ CPL/ME/IR pilot with no job, i admit my inexperience makes me unattractive to airlines and charter companies which is as expected
but im still persistent and consistent that change will come
i try to renew my ratings and licenses, working on my flight instructor rating and IATRA written.$$$$ is tight, bills are piling up but my goal remains my goal. i will get there and im going wherever aviation takes me even if my GF leaves me
i feel like giving it all up sometimes but i remember what lies within me is stronger that what lies before me.......KEEP THE FAITH GUYS
He who caters for the fishes of the sea and the birds of the air will also cater for you if you but believe
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Hi,
I could really do with some advice from those of you with knowledge in this field as I am currently on the verge of giving up my dream to be an airline Pilot. Here is my situation… I completed my commercial license in 2008 and unfortunately have had no luck in securing a job as a pilot despite 2 interviews with Ryanair.. Since I qualified I have been working as a manager in a bar and now 5 years down the line and with my ATPL’s out of date at the end of 2015 I really need to decide whether to pursue my dream any further. As you all know it’s costly to become qualified and to continue renewing licences etc. so I am now considering giving it one last go but I am unsure whether it is worth the effort as with Ryanair most likely a non-runner that leaves me with very little opportunities in Ireland.
The other issue is my age, I am 35 and with just under 300 hours total time I feel the odds are against me.
So I am looking for any advice/thoughts on my situation, would you give up or give it one more go?
Also does anyone know whether there is any non pilot work that you could apply for on the back of having a commercial license? I am prepared to move to where there may be opportunities i.e UAEi/Asia or anywhere that I may gain employment.
I would love to hear other’s stories. I’m desperate at this stage and any feedback would be much appreciated.
I could really do with some advice from those of you with knowledge in this field as I am currently on the verge of giving up my dream to be an airline Pilot. Here is my situation… I completed my commercial license in 2008 and unfortunately have had no luck in securing a job as a pilot despite 2 interviews with Ryanair.. Since I qualified I have been working as a manager in a bar and now 5 years down the line and with my ATPL’s out of date at the end of 2015 I really need to decide whether to pursue my dream any further. As you all know it’s costly to become qualified and to continue renewing licences etc. so I am now considering giving it one last go but I am unsure whether it is worth the effort as with Ryanair most likely a non-runner that leaves me with very little opportunities in Ireland.
The other issue is my age, I am 35 and with just under 300 hours total time I feel the odds are against me.
So I am looking for any advice/thoughts on my situation, would you give up or give it one more go?
Also does anyone know whether there is any non pilot work that you could apply for on the back of having a commercial license? I am prepared to move to where there may be opportunities i.e UAEi/Asia or anywhere that I may gain employment.
I would love to hear other’s stories. I’m desperate at this stage and any feedback would be much appreciated.
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There are hundreds in the same boat as you (as if you need reminding) and many of them have travelled for months on end all over the world looking for opportunities. Forgive me if I've misunderstood something but seems you've narrowed your search only to Ireland (having failed RYR twice and hoping for a third go). Sounds to me (based on what you have said so far), you haven't been very flexible so far and are only now beginning to realise it. Asia/M.E want experienced people. No way in hell you will gain any kind of junior level employment before a local. 35 years old, 300 hours does not put you in the best of standings especially if you've also ruled out a SSTR and P2F. Sorry but my advice would be to call it a day unless you're prepared to change all the above and even then this career will not come before you've spent another €50-70k. Sad state of affairs I know.
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Having just read this thread from the beginning I can relate / empathise with a lot of what has been said. Having qualified in 2005 I had what can only be put down to bad luck (got an interview with BACX who were then taken over by Flybe and all interviews were binned), recession, several other close calls, but all coming to nothing. I went into it well researched and eyes wide open. Yes it would be nice to have that money back, but I knew the risks and the training was one of the best times of my life. I don't regret doing any of it.
Instructing didn't appeal to me at that time and I received comments about "not wanting it bad enough", etc, but we are all different. Besides, I know many instructors with many hours under their belt who are getting nowhere either. I still haven't lost my love for aviation and despite everything, I would still jump at the chance to fly for a living, but realistically it's not going to happen now. CTC seem to have the market all sewn up these days, and I'm no longer a 20 something.
My current job isn't a bed of roses and with possible redundancy looming, I would still take up a flying career if the opportunity presented itself. I will keep probing and searching for that one lucky break. Maybe someone somewhere is searching for a pilot with maturity and life experience who they can relate to. Good luck to all, whatever you decide.
Instructing didn't appeal to me at that time and I received comments about "not wanting it bad enough", etc, but we are all different. Besides, I know many instructors with many hours under their belt who are getting nowhere either. I still haven't lost my love for aviation and despite everything, I would still jump at the chance to fly for a living, but realistically it's not going to happen now. CTC seem to have the market all sewn up these days, and I'm no longer a 20 something.
My current job isn't a bed of roses and with possible redundancy looming, I would still take up a flying career if the opportunity presented itself. I will keep probing and searching for that one lucky break. Maybe someone somewhere is searching for a pilot with maturity and life experience who they can relate to. Good luck to all, whatever you decide.
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The popular thought amongst the expired old relics from that bygone era of “self-improvers” (what’s that I hear most of you ask?) who are still running the show is that 1.) Integrated flight training schools provide a flight training regime that is better suited to developing an Airline Pilot. 2.) Integrated flight training schools have a selection process that weeds out the undesirables.
It would appear that Modular schools apparently either deliberately or otherwise teach their students in a way that does not make them as good Airline Pilots and the airline industry really does not care if you’re not rich enough, stupid enough or desperate enough (delete as appropriate) to effectively pay a €50k premium to be “selected”. Anyway, lets ignore the fact that CTC is run mostly by ex-EasyJet management and that the old Hamble club plays a part in the cosy relationship between OAA and BA.
It would appear that Modular schools apparently either deliberately or otherwise teach their students in a way that does not make them as good Airline Pilots and the airline industry really does not care if you’re not rich enough, stupid enough or desperate enough (delete as appropriate) to effectively pay a €50k premium to be “selected”. Anyway, lets ignore the fact that CTC is run mostly by ex-EasyJet management and that the old Hamble club plays a part in the cosy relationship between OAA and BA.
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From my Primary school days, I wanted to be an airline pilot. I read articles in the newspapers etc, told my parents etc, wrote to BOAC, found out that I'd almost certainly need to go to Hamble etc.
When it came to exams at secondary school and time to think of what course to take at Uni, the Court Line collapsed and suddenly there was a surplus of pilots and not enough planes for them to fly. I was advised not to become a pilot since I could end up qualifying and then not get a job as there wouldn't be sufficient planes around.
I therefore ventured into manufacturing engineeering in the UK, blissfully unaware of the bad advice I had been given. I'm in my 50's now and will never fulfil my dream. I've not even had a happy career due to the decline in British manufacturing, especially in the part of the UK where I live.
Unless you are extremely talented and have the right connections to become qualified as a pilot, and have a reasonably good probability of getting a permanent pilot's job at the end of it, I'd say pick something else.
Ideally something you are good at
or something you enjoy
or something that pays very well.
Whatever you do in the daytime affects you wellbeing in your private life at home in the evenings and week-ends.
Whatever you decide to do, I hope you have a better time of life than I've had.
Wishing you the best of luck
When it came to exams at secondary school and time to think of what course to take at Uni, the Court Line collapsed and suddenly there was a surplus of pilots and not enough planes for them to fly. I was advised not to become a pilot since I could end up qualifying and then not get a job as there wouldn't be sufficient planes around.
I therefore ventured into manufacturing engineeering in the UK, blissfully unaware of the bad advice I had been given. I'm in my 50's now and will never fulfil my dream. I've not even had a happy career due to the decline in British manufacturing, especially in the part of the UK where I live.
Unless you are extremely talented and have the right connections to become qualified as a pilot, and have a reasonably good probability of getting a permanent pilot's job at the end of it, I'd say pick something else.
Ideally something you are good at
or something you enjoy
or something that pays very well.
Whatever you do in the daytime affects you wellbeing in your private life at home in the evenings and week-ends.
Whatever you decide to do, I hope you have a better time of life than I've had.
Wishing you the best of luck
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When I was 19 and took my PPL I wanted to become an airline pilot badly. I was obsessed with two things - airplanes and film. I've never been very rational or logical in my decisions, but I thank higher powers that I had a moment of clarity at such a young age: I decided film, although perhaps even harder to get into, would offer more variety and be less routine and offer more opportunities. It took 10 years of working for free, eating noodle soups and carrying camera cases in the rain to be able to survive in the film business, but now it's a great career and great job that has given me the opportunity to own an aircraft and be able to fly recreationally. I am very grateful for this.
The point I suppose I'm making is - if there's anything else in this world you enjoy and can become good at, then do that. A businessman once told me "do what you love, because when you do what you love you automatically become good at it and people will eventually pay good money for that". Good advice. As long as it's not aviation - then that rule doesn't apply.
Find something you can love and be good at and then buy an airplane and fly for fun. Maybe you can even incorporate it in to your business. I fly to many of my jobs as often as I can. Doesn't make sense financially, but it's fun and I can deduct the cost and it adds utility.
The point I suppose I'm making is - if there's anything else in this world you enjoy and can become good at, then do that. A businessman once told me "do what you love, because when you do what you love you automatically become good at it and people will eventually pay good money for that". Good advice. As long as it's not aviation - then that rule doesn't apply.
Find something you can love and be good at and then buy an airplane and fly for fun. Maybe you can even incorporate it in to your business. I fly to many of my jobs as often as I can. Doesn't make sense financially, but it's fun and I can deduct the cost and it adds utility.
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Just to add my 2c's worth.
I am not far off giving up to be honest. I have pushed and pushed and tried to find something. I research who is likely to recruit, or maybe due to expand and try to get connected to the people who pull the strings but all to no avail. No airlines seem to advertise, but yet I see people getting First Officer positions with them.
I have close to 1000 hours total time, but seems to mean nothing. No one owes me a job and of course I know this, but when I see people put far less effort into finding a job and then get somewhere they want, it is soul destroying.
Anyway good luck to everyone who sticks at it! I will keep at it for a few more years, trying harder to find that elusive RHS, but there has to be a point where a new career calls.
I am not far off giving up to be honest. I have pushed and pushed and tried to find something. I research who is likely to recruit, or maybe due to expand and try to get connected to the people who pull the strings but all to no avail. No airlines seem to advertise, but yet I see people getting First Officer positions with them.
I have close to 1000 hours total time, but seems to mean nothing. No one owes me a job and of course I know this, but when I see people put far less effort into finding a job and then get somewhere they want, it is soul destroying.
Anyway good luck to everyone who sticks at it! I will keep at it for a few more years, trying harder to find that elusive RHS, but there has to be a point where a new career calls.
