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I know it is approx two years old, but after reading many posts on this website that show how bad the industry can be, is this article true? or just another lie?
I understand that I may be wrong and if I am I apologise, I'm grateful for your opinion.
Its a soundbite given by an organisation which unfortunately is both out of touch and increasingly irrelevant to the vast majority of pilots in the UK.
Shortage of Pilots eh? Doubt that, my airline is already OVER CREWED with First Officers but they keep recruiting anyway as it's a nice source of income for them. Less hours all round, lower wages and a lower quality of life. I know cadets will keep accepting the contracts as we all need to work and make a living. It's a dark and turbulent downwards path.
How many times will this crop up. There is a shortage of experienced skippers. There is not a shortage of newbies flooding the market. This situation is unlikely to change for at least 10 years until the effects of the retirement boom and lack of readily available funding have been felt.
captains have problem to find job as well, do you think they go to china for fun! in these countries they take your passport so you don't leave, they threat you if you don't bend or break the rules.
many horror stories, do you still think capt can choose where they want work?
get real! there is a no shortage of qualified or non qualified pilot, there is simply NO job in this aviation market unless you bend over!
we are in a recession, there will be not enough airlines in this world to take all pilots and the future is doomed since the fuel crisis,...we have reach a point where a reverse to a good time is not possible any more.
Europe is dead! the futur is brazil, china, s.america, hong kong,.... but it s not for us.it's for the locals mainly unless you have some friends who can speak good about you to their chief pilot..this is how people get jobs and IF they have a job for you.
If you don't know anybody, your career will pretty much end the next day after leaving your little flight school with your little blue book from oxford or any JAA schools which sell nothing else than a dream.
Insurance companies want experience(mean thousand of hours), they don't care what school you come from, this is why the JAA is failing big time....EXPERIENCE!!
A canadian or a US pilot with thousand of hours in his logbook will still have more opportunities to land a job than a Oxford student with his little 200hours of DA20Katana and a ridiculous fake 737 MCC.Most job start at over 2000h, how do you get this in our little JAA/EASA system?
Who is customers of these line training schemes? European pilots only.
(still it's not enough to gain enough experience to join an airline as most airlines want 1500-2000h)
The JAA is against his pilots, the big EU airlines don't want us, they prefer to train their own pilots or hire high caliber captains from foreign countries, they don't want pilots who have paid themselves their flight training in Europe by booking a course of quizz for the ATPL (where now everybody can score over 90% at Oxford or Bristol.gs).
BA, lufthansa, Alitalia, KLM, AF, .... they simply don't want us.
(not totally true, ryanair want you, they want a part of the cake, they want your money!)
Europe and his lousy crappy very expensive JAA/EASA system is a malediction. Financially it doesn't make sens. It has put most of his pilots in big trouble with banks.
Generally there is simply no job for EU pilots, and they (legislators and the industry)are not going to do anything for us to get jobs.
Last edited by a320renewal; 18th Jul 2012 at 06:31.
I just wanted to retort to the complaint that pilots coming out of EU training programs are worse off than their American or Canadian counterparts, which isn't true. The description of going through flight school to come out with 200 hrs and a logbook sounds about right. In the US it's 270 hours, which is basically the same when compared to the 3000 or 4000 hours that airlines want to see before they hire you. In the US, most students who are serious about airline careers turn around to be hired as instructors by the flight school they just graduated from, and they stay there for two to three years until they've built up enough hours to be attractive to a local regional airline, which pays lousy and assigns lousy hours, resulting in frequently underpaid and overworked newbies who are flying tired more often than they should.
It just seemed like someone was making out like it's better elsewhere than in the EU, but I think it's bad all over the world, except in emerging markets like China, and markets that maintain their aircraft so badly that they keep killing their pilots and need new ones (like China).
People refer to shortage often. This is conjecture only. There may be, from time to time, an airline here and there that had too few crews near end of month. That happens quite a bit in the US. This is not really any shortage at all. Two very large US airlines run into this end of month shortage every month, and they have together thousands of pilots on furlough status. I do know of several major airlines that are losing co-pilots to China. These guys are leaving because they can't get upgraded at their company. This is an example of what I have seen. No shortage, maybe a little movement here and there.
There is no shortage. The training press say there 100,s of thousands of jobs worldwide but there are 1,000s of out of work pilots even in europe.What is short is investment by the air carriers.Most carriers say they can't reply to applicants as they receive too many and most won't even look at cv,s. So whares the shortage
Even with over 10k hours on a type that is obsolete you don't get a job nowadays I'm fortunate to have a job (for now), but been looking for 2 years now. I know I might sound stuck-up, but i'm not willing to move to ME and would rather not pay for my new TR. Here's hoping the retirement age doesn't get raised again and in 3-5 years jobs start opening up for all of us
Common Sense would tell you there is no such thing as a pilot shortage. Its nothing but a marketing tool, to keep the students coming thru the door. Its really a pyramid scheme, I will explain how it works, You go to flight school, you obtain all of your certificates and ratings and in the case of the United States under FAR 141 you have all of 200 hours in your logbook, but you are going to need a bit more time that that to go to one of the commuters or regional airlines, the traditional stepping stone to the Major Carriers. So we make you a flight instructor and you flight instruct till you built up enough flight time to get an interview with a commuter. Now count all the pilots that you gotten the same ratings as yourself, you would need at least 15 to 25 such students. Not a whole lot. Its just you, well its not just you its thousand and thousand of pilots like yourself doing the same thing So that is why there are pilots all over the place way more than the available seats. This dose a few things, it keeps pay very very low and it lets the Airlines be very picky to the point it becomes a crap shoot. This is not to say you will not make it, just plan accordingly if you don't and don't take on the huge amounts of debt to do it, having a heavy debt load is a red flag to an employer. And since China is in the conversation, I don't buy for a second about the aviation growth there, but I had been offered employment their, the contract they sent for me to sign was well put it this way I had enough sense not to and my lawyer dam near had a heart attack when he read it. The ads you see are from the same ole same ole, they don't have that many airplanes.
captains have problem to find job as well, do you think they go to china for fun! in these countries they take your passport so you don't leave, they threat you if you don't bend or break the rules.
many horror stories, do you still think capt can choose where they want work?
get real! there is a no shortage of qualified or non qualified pilot, there is simply NO job in this aviation market unless you bend over
I told you many times you don't know what you are talking about.
I have been flying in China for almost 10 years, they never took my passport. You post are pure bullcr@p I am afraid.
I concur with KAG, A320 you're obviously bitter about something. I've not seen a constructive post by you anywhere on this forum. If that's how you feel about aviation then just leave and forget it. You have a horrible attitude towards it and I'm not surprised you've not really gone far.
generally speaking who is not bittered in this profession or how far have you gone in debt with your bank? I see plenty of pilots who hold the same speech as your,fixing their mind and everything on their dream plane instead to learn to live correctly... you have to be nut believing this job will bring you happiness . Flying bug,OK... but I say stop when you put all your money in these JAA training which bring only people down at the end....
Seem guys I m more mature than you.... In the long term, I m the one who has a good life when most struggle with their debt because at the end money, good sleep and good food and a nice family make you happy, not the number of jet hours you have in your log book....
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