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I’m just being a nosey really and am interested, but years ago modular peeps were getting jobs on turbo props and jets through hard work, luck and ‘who you know’ but nowadays with the airlines not really recruiting and when they do it tends to be integrated CTC/Oxford cadets what’s happening with you modular people who finished training from say around 4 years ago until now. Just really interested if people have found jobs flying for airlines turbo props/jets other than pay to fly Ryanair or instructing?
A very small number but there's been a little movement in the last 6-7 months. That said it's people that have been instructing for 3-4 years. It's a very tough game out there at the moment and probably will be for so long as there's 101% or more of the required pilots available.
I was modular, finished training end of 2008, right at the start of the downturn. Didn't get a sniff of anything for 3 years but i'm now flying 737's.
It's all about being patient and not trying to jump the queue with eagle jet type pay to fly schemes. Let's also point out that FR is NOT a pay to fly scheme, it's a pay for type rating scheme with a paid job at the end, much the same as just about every other airline in the UK that take on low houred guys.
Can't get a flying job?, get off your backsides and go find something else in the industry to get some experience rather than sitting at home sending out CV's. Go work on the ground for a while, now is the time of year airlines and handling agents are recruiting for ground jobs for the summer season. Go do that for a while, make some contacts and some money whilst gaining useful experience. Try getting work on a flight sim, as cabin crew or apply to be a pilots assistant for one of the Single Pilot IFR operators, all uselful experience. It will make your CV stand out from the thousands of others the airlines will get. Worked for me.
Nukehunt I'm meant pay2fly as in pay for a job, I'm interested to hear if anyone has got a job the traditional way . I take it your with FR, well done you but not everyone has the 35k to draw out of the bank to pay for it. I'm also sure allot of qualified guys are knocking on doors and working on the ramp etc to network.
Location: In some hotel downroute or in some hotel doing union negotiations.
We hired around 80 FOs outside our own cadets last year and around 100 the year before. This year looks grim and we have problems getting out cadets into a flightdeck after they completed their supervision (which is part of the abinitio-contract). But scores of CPL holders are applying and working in the cabin, there is a lot more fluctuation and jobs are available. Doesn't pay as well as a flightdeck job of course, but not all that bad either.
I went Modular.....qualified at the end of 2009 and now flying shiny jet's for a living.
It's all about constantly putting yourself in a position to create opportunities and if/when said opportunities arise you are current (flying and tech wise), in order to take advantage of the situation. Be ruthless but in a nice way (if that makes sense)! No one like an a***hole! The countless other's that are in the same boat would trample over you in an instant to get there first.
Just out of cuorisity, but I'd like to ask this question. I know that aviation industry is not a normal industry, it is very dynamic and everything can make it change but what are your prospective for the end of 2013-2014, guys? More or less I will have finished my flight training in that period and if I could not secure a job immediately with Ryanair, easyJet and others jet operators (fractional/corporate too despite the little number of hours) I would try to obtain a job as instructor. Worst case scenario's plan is heading to Africa and trying to get a job on a Cessna 206 or 208.
I too finished a Modular course at the beginning of 2010 after four and a half years of working towards getting what I needed. I managed to get in to the right hand seat of a jet in 2011 with a type rating kindly supplied by the company at no additional charge and began day one of the induction on a full salary. There are still opportunities out there for those who take the modular route, it just takes a lot of hard work.
I will be starting my Modular Training over in the U.S of A for minimum 18 months and i suppose the FTO im heading over to can offer a instructor rating which might come in handy (POOR SALARY) but i suppose it keeps you in the skies and also hands over some useful hours!
Either that or im making a terrible decision. Time will tell Im not too fussed about working in the UK either, just want to land that first job
I qualified from an ICAO conversion at the sharp end of 2008, just when the recession was hitting. I achieved this at Bournemouth (modular obviously).
I got one lucky interview with a regional TP operator which resulted in sim check and a job offer. The music then rapidly stopped as the recession hit and I found myself hold pool "swimming" indefinitely. Apart from a whiff of a job offer in Air Taxi (never happened..long story) I was in the same boat as everyone else.
The absolute key: keep current - I flew skydivers, scraped money for my IR revalidations etc etc. Keep money coming in in the meantime - draw upon your other skills outside aviation if need be. Keeping positive at times was almost impossible and life often felt rather depressing.
Three years later (while keeping in contact with said TP operator) the phone rang and presto - job offer and sim date...and you're back in the game..
Your Route in sounds very similar to the route that i imagine i will be taking.....im looking at spending the next 36 months working my way from PPL to FI over in the USA and that will give me a guaranteed (oh heck!) 1000hrs....from then onwards i shall be looking for allsorts of jobs whilst instructing to keep "current".
Did you find networking helped you secure your TP job??
Inbox me if you can please chap i will be very interested to hear your experience
No with EFT if you do the internship ---if you get good scores---- then you will be offered your Ins Rating and you can do an extra 18 months working as FI upto 1000 hours? You pay extra to do this but then you earn something like $15 per hour once youve got your rating. Not great but the hours will be worth it.