Interviews, jobs & sponsorshipDo ya feel lucky, Punk? Well do ya? If so, here's the place to swap the hot gen on who's sponsoring or employing, their selection criteria, and where those oh so elusive first jobs can be spotted in the wild. Watch out for the tumbleweeds...
Do what you think you have to, no-one is going to help you. Life is short.
If you can get mum and dad to help (pay) in any way then do so, you will only have a few chances to fly professionally and you must take your seldom opportunities where-ever they may be.
Don't linger on the words of the older generation with regards to declining conditions/punitive contracts etc because many are not in the position you are (myself included).
Get on with you life and do not dwell on the negative side of things, it will only drag you down.
Work hard and make you own luck.
For the record, my parents paid for my FATPL and I would do the same.
TheBeak, come on matey stop being unkind, it does no good what-so-ever, we all know the good and bad side to this particular subject. You come across as a whiney little bitch.
Firstly apologies to Duck Rogers I have adjusted my post accordingly. Secondly Big number I have read a number of your posts on PPRuNe and by and large I agree with most of them. But I just cant agree with your sentiment of the The Beak "enhancing" the thread by absolutely slating wannabes on a daily basis for just trying to get on the ladder. I have not funded my loved ones for a Ryanair type rating and I am neither a mum nor dad(not yet anyway). Im a pilot but I am not working with Ryanair. But I have a number of relatives that are working for Ryanair (flightdeck) so any information I have about them is fact and not fiction. They are all getting on very well earning good money and gaining lots of hours. One in particular nearly has all flight training costs(including type rating) paid off and he is with Ryanair just approaching two and half years. He now has an unfrozen atpl flight training costs as I said nearly paid off and all this wouldnt of been possible if he had not of taken the plunge and took the self funded type rating. Where would he be now? Who knows is what I say and quite frankly who cares. He went and made it happen. The exact same way as other wannbees on this thread are.
If you read the comment I made, it was made about abusive and personal comments about individuals, not about RYR.
One of the points you made was about that. I read your post, decided the night wasn't long enough to take up every issue and chose one. I say again that people know because they read it here. Ok, some people. A lot of people. Granted PPRuNe isn't the only source in the aviation world but it's still a major one. Seen the numbers for this place?
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....surely to tell the story you must have first experienced the event....
The world would be a dull place if first hand knowledge were a pre-requisite for many things. If that became law and the Walts and theorists were driven out PPRuNe would become a ghost town overnight. Didn't you say that Ryanair are well known for their practices? That you and your friends know of them through other means? Well so do The Beak and others yet seemingly you want him and his ilk to be prevented from passing on what they've heard.
Censorship? Aye, but which way round?
<wanders back toward the leather upholstered, silk carpeted bizjet forum>
This discussion seems to have degenerated into something so utterly ridiculous it could almost send somesome insane. At first it starts with someone wanting to productively find out about the funding for a Ryanair TR (valid question), which was spolit by someone who we all know probably resembles not far off a social hand grenade, who has now all of a sudden become flavour of the week with a couple of moderators who are beginning a debate that Ryanair's reputaion is NOT in fact based on first hand experiences but instead by chinese whispers!! This thread's sending more than a few of you away with a one way ticket to the loony hospital, give it up. And to quote P-T...
"I'm not sure what's happened to PPRuNe, but it certainly has gone down hill in the last 3 years". Got that right
P-T, you again, do not know who I am , so don't say things like that to add weight to your argument - we had this with Reluctant737 or whatever his/her name was. And no I absolutely did not buy a 737 TR and have no hours on it. I did not buy a 737 TR full stop, I can assure you. Can you not work that out?
If you don't like PPRuNe then don't add to it. It takes two to add to this debate - at least my posts have been on track and not about slating an individual that you don't know much about. You lot are very much responsible for the divergence of this thread.
Im pretty sure I read in a post from you (The Beak) before that you were an unemployed 737 pilot with a couple of hundred hours on type.
Your now saying you have no hours on type. Your credibility wanes as the days go by.
I believe that we are possibly 'lost' in translation.
I would understand that 'Beak' is trying to clarify that he did not purchase a 737 TR with a Line Hours Package.
Further, he is being clear that he did not purchase a 737 TR FULL STOP.
I would understand that, he was selected for a paid / bonded 737 TR with an airline, made it on line, and then sadly was laid off. Very frustrating!
I really cannot understand this animosity to 'Beak'. Unlike the many, his credability is not in question. It would appear that the ubiquitous truth about 'the bank of Mum n Dad' gets some 'noses out of joint'. I just can't understand why?
Had the situation been different, I would have been the first to cash 'Dads' cheque! ( Sadly in my case, it would have bounced! )
Let’s get this straight. I am most certainly not against free speech and I’m perfectly open to debates on Ryanair. I have agreed that TheBeak’s views on Ryanair and, for example, WWW’s opinions about the state of the economy are worth listening to even though they don’t match my own opinions or experiences. Furthermore, even though some people have an abrasive, unkind or deliberately unhelpful attitude I wouldn’t disregard their right to be heard.
This is not about free speech; It’s all about time and place! On a thread started by a Wannabe asking about the virtues of joining Ryanair, let slip the dogs of war and let the debate rage because someone contemplating joining a controversial company ought to hear both sides of the argument, but where someone asks a clear cut, closed loop question, why do we have to see the whole thread become a 5 page argument between the Ryanair haters and those who have a different point of view?
I cling to my view that the Moderators are not doing their job in this instance. There’s nothing ‘moderate’ about their behaviour. Contrast the moderator’s action on this thread with the thread on Integrated v Modular which recently closed by Halfwayback.
WWW, having accepted that this is a benign (although this thread is somewhat viral) dictatorship, I guess that the least moderators are expected to do is to keep the focus of the original thread topic. For example, in the thread about the BA 777 crash at Heathrow, posters without technical knowledge and little therefore to add, had their posts removed, and quite right too; it kept the required focus to keep the thread relevant. It also made for highly interesting reading. Dictator you may be, open to criticism you are not, or at least that is how it is beginning to look here.
In this thread nobody is suggesting that Ryanair opinion be censored, merely that it be moved elsewhere more relevant to the original poster's topic. That is not here, because otherwise all Ryanair threads will simply dissolve into the same, off-topic slanging. I for one, and I suspect a good many otheres are bored with this.
My colour preference is red.
Anyone got any more answers to the original question?
to they guys saying they got a free type rating.... you are in a very extreme minority in this climate. I would be surprised if you got it recently, and amazed if you are on same wages as those who did not get a free one!! If you are on big money and free type rating then you are extremely lucky as name to me one place thats offering that package?!!?
And to beak i think the fact 99% of posters here think you views are wrong(and so strong) says alot, and implies your hiding something, possible fact your type rated on 737 and cant get into RYN.
BN understood correctly though I accept my post may have been misleading - it was early.
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For example, in the thread about the BA 777 crash at Heathrow, posters without technical knowledge and little therefore to add, had their posts removed,
Possibly because the thread could have been used as a source of info by the press and PPRuNe could have been quoted as a source, as it has been in the past. To that end I'd imagine the moderators have a job to filter the 'opinions' and try and keep the discussion strictly objective so as to maintain the credibility of the site.
There is a difference with this thread though. Someone hasn't asked a strict, closed question. They have asked a number of questions, have appeared quite leading and open and so have attracted a number of opinions. There is no definate answer to this one, nor are there to the majority of the questions asked on this site. A discussion, which we started having on the topic, will give a mix of views which have been hopefully justified and thought out. It will give a balance and range to the asker. You can't get a more definate answer to such a broad question.
I maintain my views and will continue to justify them to anyone who touches on a topic I feel I can add dimension to.
The way the question concluded to me, with:
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or do you really need to find the £30,000 alone!
I would imagine the majority of people applying for ryanair are unemployed pilots, already in debt, and little chance of a bank actually saying "yes" to a £30,000 loan
came across as the poster was uncomfortably resigned to the argument I have put across. I hope I have offered comfort to them that they are no less a person by not being able to afford the loan and that if it even remotely crossed their mind to secure the debt on their parents home, that it shouldn't be an option unless they are rich or expecting an early inheritance, for the right reasons and hopefully not the wrong ones.
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And to beak i think the fact 99% of posters here think you views are wrong(and so strong) says alot, and implies your hiding something, possible fact your type rated on 737 and cant get into RYN.
Well it isn't a fact, it is a statistic that you have plucked out of thin air. And besides, 99% of all statistics are made up. And I haven't hidden anything. Would I fly for Ryanair if they would take a low experience 737 pilot without extorting me out of 33K for something I already have? Yes.
to they guys saying they got a free type rating....
you are in a very extreme minority in this climate.
I would be surprised if you got it recently,
Be amazed then, I did.
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.... and amazed if you are on same wages as those who did not get a free one!!
Be amazed some more then, although it's impossible to make such a comparison because, er, they got theirs free too. I suppose we could look toward pilots who joined the company with type ratings but they get paid the same also.
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If you are on big money and free type rating then you are extremely lucky
Lucky? Well if you call standing by my principles and turning down jobs that wanted me to buy my way in then I suppose I am. Don't think the dictionary would define that as 'luck' though.
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....name to me one place thats offering that package?!!?
Ummmmm, no. I won't. Given the propensity for a large number of newly qualified pilots to back door their colleagues I'm extremely picky about who I recommend for interview. All of those I have recommended though know there's no such word as 'alot'
Anyone care to go back to the original topic here?
Can anyone give some advice or is willing to share from there own personal experience,from where did they actually manage to secure the funding please?
I believe there may be many interested candidates who are being excluded from applying, simply because they can't find a lender/financial institution that are willing to support this.
(This site is turning into some sort of an 'chat room' for immature,bitter and twisted folk and quite frankly it's not a pleasant place to visit at the moment)!
Let's go back to informed usefull and mature communication.
Er, Flintstone, as you know, we're talking about Ryanair and the Airline industry, not Bizjets, which are a different kettle of fish.
The Airlines who do pay for their new recruits' type ratings are simply not recruiting at the moment and are unlikely to recommence in the next few years.
Nothing specific in irishpilot's post, he/she merely espoused the (flawed) opinion that nobody got a free rating.
Don't mind me though. Same income as an airline captain, fly about 10-12 days a month, six weeks (paid) holiday, per diems, get fed and watered, nice hotels, training and uniform paid, work with nice people, go to nice places, no 'self-employed' nonsense through dodgy accountants. Missed out didn't I? Damn, I feel so stupid
Why is everyone so fixated on Ryanair and the airlines? Fine if you want to do the same old thing day in, day out and in the case of at least RYR be treated as a consumable but there really is better out there. I suppose you just need to wit and imagination to see it.
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