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Mol has left anyone who has completed flight training no choice but to apply if they can get access to the money
No, you do have a choice. You wait. You keep your licences current, and yes that will obviously mean financial outlay. You work doing whatever in the mean time. You do your best to find ways of flying cheaply, and there are ways, but they require resourcefulness and commitment.
However, that is unpalatable to many, as they view it as more outlay for no return and no career development (understandable to a point) However, as WWW points out, BRK contracts offer zero stability and if the music rapidly stopped (perhaps the only way it would) at FR, then there would be a pile of very unhappy recently TR'd guys out on their ear. So, IMHO, its a calculated risk either way.
Its natural and logical to want a return on your investment. I am just not sure that increasing your debt burden with zero promise of sustained employment is any more beneficial than waiting patiently (but resourcefully and still committed to the long term cause) on the sidelines.
Splendid words of advice but perhaps you have missed the point?
Kudos, glamour, and social admiration. Frankly, I need some 'gold bars'.
ALL my Mum and Dads friends know that I was away to "Train as an Airline Pilot". It was a proud boast. Indeed, at many social gatherings I have been questioned on the idiosyncracies of modern jet flying. I have been delighted to elucidate!
How are we going to recover from the social indignity of only flying for fun in a little Cessna from a grass strip. We'll be the laughing stock! It's not like we'd been keeping my outstanding progress at Oxford a secret is it?!
Faced with these stark choices, the requisite funding to elevate my flying into its rightful place has been secured. No bank loans required!
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The only minor flaw in my otherwise expeditious journey to 'the crew bus', via Wensums, is FR's tardiness in getting me on the TR.
Do you think if my parents offered a premium rate 'Dowry', akin to 'speedy boarding', things might be rushed along? I mean fair's fair. Or is that fare, I just can't tell anymore!
It's a big help at the moment if indeed this can be done.Does the apply though to cadets undertaking the training at East Midlands or only in Amsterdam?
How long has this been possible for? Seems to me there will be a lot of candidates who went through CAE before, who wern't told about this and spend about 5 grand more than they needed to! I would be well p***** off!!
Yes it CAN be done, big emphasis on the CAN though. Its not set in stone and it would be unwise to not budget for the VAT turning out to be not recoverable.
Does that full JAA Type rating for 12900 also include Base Training, and Line training?? I am sure it does not. Hence the expensive type rating with Ryanair!!
Crikey is this thread still rumbling on? Of course it is. Predictably another Ryanair thread descends into useless drivel. Ryanair and its methods are undoubtedly controversial but the fact is that they are an inevitable reality of the current industry.
Unfortunately, there are too many closed minds and stubborn egos on both sides for any meaningful discussion. You cannot discuss with people who will not listen and almost every contributor to these threads is to some extent constrained by a vested interest in their own circumstances. Additionally, many who venture opinions are so devoid of factual knowledge or common sense that any hope of a worthwhile thread is futile.
What we should be able to agree on is that sponsored and salaried basic training is long extinct and that type ratings have been going the same way for many years now. (If you're bonded you're still paying for it). I think we would all love to be turning up to the BOAC college at Hamble in 1960 fully sponsored and getting paid from the first day we sit in an aeroplane, but those days are history.
Nobody particularly wants to pay for a Ryanair TR but as WWW diplomatically said, it's the only deal on the table at the moment which leaves you with two choices:
Withdraw yourself from the industry for the time being, allow skill fade to set in and hundreds of fresher, younger and more current pilots to join the competition for any jobs which appear in the future - and hope for the best.
Or, take the deal, in full knowledge of the financial considerations, the employment terms, and the risks versus the benefits, and again hope for the best.
It is the privilege of each individual to make their own choice and anyone who posts here should do so in the knowledge that they are not entitled to decide on behalf of any other poster, a common mistake, it seems. Whilst the current employment market is an ugly one, an individual has no more control over or responsibility for these market forces than he has for the price of petrol or international exchange rates. Good luck to all those choosing their path in difficult times.
Ryanair threads are a little like the threads that occur after after a major crash. Every d1ckhead wants to get their opinion heard regardless of knowledge or merit. Eventually the thread becomes such a bloated monster full of meaningless drivel that nobody can possibly read all the posts from the beginning, therefore people post garbage that has already been said many times, the whole thing goes in circles and becomes an indestructible self-perpetuating nightmare. It's a shame really because there are many valid topics of conversation that become impossible when every thread always degenerates into playground anarchy.
It is my honest belief that FR is the best place for a flight school graduate to cut their teeth in this industry.
Ever heard of the word SCAB!!!
Any self respecting captain of a non-loco airline who is determined to maintain his standard of life should refuse to fly with someone who has "cut their teeth" with FR. Its like robbing Peter to pay Paul, he's responsible for taking money out of your pocket mate.
TBH all airlines are on the downward slope now anyway in terms of T&C's, so there is no point harping on about it.
It used to be that an Airline Pilot was a bit of an enigma, silver haired, tanned, BBC accent, suave and sophisticated.
Nowadays you see FR newbies with their shirts and uniforms unironed, shoes unpolished, hair a mess and unshaven. Looks like they've been dragged through a hedge backwards actually.
Use to be that a train driver had all the glamour and was every boy's dream, look at train drivers now, more blue collar if I may, piloting an aircraft is going the same way I fear.
The comic irony in your post brings a smile to my face. 
funny for most people!!
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