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Starting at 1/2 pay, and building up to full pay at the start of the 7th year basically gives them a net saving of 525k.
Assuming 67 flying hours a month in the right hand seat from day one, you'd be in line for captain of a320 (5500 hrs) at 6.8 years, or a340 (7000 hrs) at 8.7 years. Those hours are the requirements on the EY website. Now, don't get your hopes up, no one said you'll get those hours from day one, and no one said your not gonna take holidays, and no one said things won't change in the future. However, I think captaincy (of something) in 3-5 years seems possible. I think that's also normal in the industry, right?
Yup quicksilver...its not an easy thing moving! I lived in AUH for about 14 years, moved to canada for about 8 years, and i found it very different when i went back to visit! The people are just different mentally and appearance wise...
I think whats even more difficult is that the training is in Al Ain. Al Ain is a tiny and remote city in the middle of a desert. Look it up on google maps. looks quite depressing!
I think another aspect EY should take into consideration is the chance of selected cadets flopping on the whole thing after getting in. Specially younger ones! (including myself)
And sadly, the more they make us wait, the harder it'll be to arrange a flight and the hotel... not to say that the flight is getting more and more expensive by the hour.
they say "reply to this email if you are available on the 28th and ...."
Well, i would be available if you told me the details now. If the assessment is at 8am, i will need a hotel and a Sunday afternoon flight (no good for last minute bookings), and that is another variable... on the other side, if this is an afternoon assessment, the hotel would be needed till Tuesday. See my point? Luckily we still got 17 days.
I think you can safely do the trip in one day, if you can find flights with the right departure times. Fly in 27th anytime and check in at the hotel. Sleep (if you can control the excitement). Do the interview on 28th, fly out the night of 28th. I recall the June interviewee at AUH said its 2.5 hours long, so flying out at night should be fine. They won't bring the session to an end too late at night.
If its anything like UK interviews (not just aviation interviews), then 2.5 hours will probably mean 1pm start, 3.30pm finish. This allows people to depart in the morning, and return home by night time.
Well the idea of flopping is something each individual has to think of, and make up their mind on, before they even get invited to the interview. What I mean to say is that, you have to be prepared and understand the pros and cons of everything, and know for yourself what you value, and what is most important to you.
The last thing you want to do is waste not only your time, but the valuable time of the recruiter, if you are not even sure you would want to live in AUH/Al-Ain. And, d_d I personally think EY does take into consideration the chances of a candidate ‘flopping’ on them. This is done by multiple stages of tests, and interviews, and more interviews, which greatly minimizes EY’s chances of selecting the wrong candidates. Do you agree?
As for becoming a Captain (quicksilver911), I think it’s not as simple as 3-5 years of service, and bam your promoted. From what I read it is mostly later on in your life around mid-career (35-45). Mind you, this would be the captain of a larger aircraft (A330 or bigger). But having said that, I guess a lot depends on you and how fast you want to excel, and the airlines needs at the time. Also, you simply have to be the best at what you do. Airlines do have check-rides every 6-months I believe for every pilot. The pass mark is no longer the traditional 50%-60%, but it is 85%-90%. Keep in mind that these standards are set because of a multi-million dollar machine, and 100’s of lives in your hands. All in all, 3-5 years to captain is questionable, but the speed at which one becomes a captain is dependant on themselves. Some F/O, stay FO’s for the rest of their careers, because they can’t handle the responsibility, leadership skills, and for various other reasons.
Here's a good example of that. I use to work for Emirates, and there, people who would join the company in the normal way (non cadets) would get promoted very quickly. On the other side, locals who joined the company through the cadet program had a limitation and they could not be promoted to Captain till the 6th year of employment (if i remember correctly). Main reason for the fast upgrade being:
-They grow like none other and these airplanes have crews for breakfast (was it 10 capt, and 10 f/o per aircraft?). Say this is correct... for each airplane they need 20 new employees, and there was a time when i was at EK, that they would get something like 1 brand new 777 per week! They had that new car smell... priceless.
-Great percentage of new-joiners gave up commands on their previous companies to work for emirates. So they are proven to be able to take command responsibilities. There is only one thing worse than a Captain who has never been an FO they say, an FO who used to be a captain.
-and... have you seen the requisites?? You could be an astronaut before being able to join one of these companies in the normal way, lol. There are also direct entry captain possibilities.
Anyway, lets not try to run before we learn to walk.
That is true, I really would not worry too much about command just yet!!
As I understand the bond is 5 years, your basic salary is deducted over those five years to cover the course costs. You still get normal F/O allowances, accom etc. The deductions are high at first and reduce over the bonding period.
As for failure, I'm sure there will be some form of guarantee scheme in place.
i would say, for whomever is interested, a couple days before the interview in Frankfurt, that we should make some kind of pre-contact. One thing that i have proven to be very useful is to know someone to talk to during the waiting minutes in the lobby. Maybe go for a coffee before the interview, and for a beer once it's over. I dont know, it helps overcome the nerves.
On the other side, i wouldn't reveal any real names here, or emails. So we have to find a way to add each other to face book or msn without revealing any personal info on the open forum. Maybe private messages? Feel free to PM me and ill add you to my facebook. Note that im invited to the Frankfurt intervew.
Hi chaps, just to let you know that something DOES come of this application form! I have had an email back (less than 24hours after completing the form) to say come to Heathrow on the 30th of July. Keep rocking and you'll get there in the end!
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