Interviews, jobs & sponsorshipDo ya feel lucky, Punk? Well do ya? If so, here's the place to swap the hot gen on who's sponsoring or employing, their selection criteria, and where those oh so elusive first jobs can be spotted in the wild. Watch out for the tumbleweeds...
no 2nd email either....I hope I didn't put my chance into jeopardi by not accepting that date,I'll hate my employer by not liberating me if Etihad withdraw my application
I've not posted, but I've been following this thread. Congratulations to all the guys with invitations! I see that all the people who've posted about getting invites are those who have previously posted that their status was 'under review'. Scouring the posts, no one who earlier said they had a BLANK status has recently posted that they got an invite.
I'll start a rumour (but based on the above evidence), that BLANK status guys are getting treated differently (and your guess is as good as mine as to what that means). I'd like to invite anyone who was status BLANK and has received an invite to kill my rumour! Looking through the psots, it seems that if you're in Europe, and you applied one or more weeks ago, then you should have received an invite this week. I use Rapha_BA's posts as evidence: he applied approx 5th July, he went to under review on 7th, and got an invite on 10th.
I've applied too, this week. Let's see what happens next week! I have a few more thoughts on the status BLANK rumour (on WHY you might have been BLANKED), but some of those thoughts are a bit too spicy! I'll wait to see if anyone with status BLANK posts to say they have had an invite.
EYZ, can you find out more details about status BLANK? You've posted earlier that it doesn't matter, but I think it does now. Do you think you can find out what the cut off date is for sending out invites to the July invites? Or if they are full already and not inviting anymore? Also, since you're the inside guy, do you have any idea what kind of contract the cadets will be on for the 6 year bond period? I assume they're not going to stay on AED6000/month and al-ain accommodation? Do you know what the UAE Nationals cadets have been offered?
EDIT: Oh, hehe, sorry i got it all wrong. I'm afraid i know what you mean by different treatment. Like in no treatment at all?
About the conditions after training in horizon, i recon you would start living as a normal first officer in the company, living in abu dhabi and making as much as a non cadet expat first officer. With the corresponding bond for 6 years with some kind of economic responsibility should you leave the company before initially agreed.
Well,end of the day its a license,and a job in the end,the best start!!dont forget that humility is the secret,doens't matter if you are an inside guy,if you're friends with the owner,if you dont have the aptitude,you wont fly!!!
The first thing you're told when joining BA,main 3 aviation rulesreparation,preparation,preparation...
I know a lot of people within our business,including our chief pilot,I still have to go through selection like anybody else who wants to join,independently of my length of service and how many people I know!
I dont know guys but i think the best now is simply shape ourselves to what could be an oportunity of lifetime!Would be great to share experiences with anyone here on the forum,independently of being succesfull or not,every little helps
i think you would be 2nd officer for a while on 2nd officer pay( which would be peanuts)...and then move onto first officer with reduced pay for the remainig period of 72 months.
I too am sharing your sentiments as my status is also Blank. It's been blank for over a month or so and there isn't any indication that I will get called for an assessment at the end of this month.
As you have already mentioned those who have been 'Under Review' have already been invited as they have now moved to inviting the rest of Europe.
Even a simple email to say that I may be considered for future intakes would suffice. At present, I'm feeling slightly demoralised lest to say losing hope!
All the best to guys who have managed to get an invite.
still,I rather be a second officer with them than strugle to get a £65k with the uncertainty of getting a job or not!
A first officer I've flown with other day told me that the panorama isn't good for the next 24 months,at least for european carriers.There's a bit of anxiety within the longhaul flight crew,the A380 and the b787 are delayed,which the airline saw with good eyes as if our planes are delayed,it means everyone else are too,competitors bought aircraft to expand too,we arent growing so arent they!but,there's two sides of the coin,the 747 for examples will be phased out,that means jobs and oportunities...simple guys!
then remenber United announcement,100 aircraft grounded,Ryanair 20,TAP asked their government for help,so as Alitalia....
Yes,second officer,dont care,"you dont start to build a house from the roof"...humility,start from the botton and slowly but surely you'll get to left hand seat
Rapha_BA, I totally agree, despite people's 'links' aviation is one industry where you won't get the job if you don't have what it takes. The risks are way too high. By the way, I wasn't in any way implying that you have inside connections when I used your application as an example, I was just trying to point out that most people got their invites this week.
However, like CruiseControl says, a yes or no is better than a BLANK. A yes is nice, a no is a bummer, but you get over it. Being left in limbo, well I suppose that has its benefits (its not a 'no'), but it seems like a little bit of false hope. It's even worse when you consider that the entry requirements aren't phenomenal (no bragging intended). That said, I think those with BLANK still have some hope. As those with invites have said, they were asked if they can make the date, and if they can't presumably they might get called again, so maybe BLANKS still have a chance. I still can't help thinking that BLANKS are being treated second-rate though, which is a shame. I'm all for humility, but I'm even more for open honesty.
My thoughts on the bonded 6 year employment: assume they want to recoup 500k over 72 months, that's approx 7k a month. Using the EY website FO pay of approx 25k per month, you could expect 18k per month during bonded pay. Realistically, I agree that one won't be an FO upon graduation, and will probably play SO for a while. Let's also assume that they are prudent and don't want to wait the full 72 months to recoup their outlay. I reckon they will recoup in 3 years, which means 14k per month. So 25k-14k gives 11k. I think that will be the pay for 3 years, as SO. After 3 years you'll be an FO, but perhaps earning the 18k a month as above (they have to get some monetary benefit out of this). After 3 years at 18k, you'll move up to the full FO base pay of 25k per month. This all excludes any consideration of inflation of course.
Ahh no mate,in no way I thought that!matter of a fact I have absolutely NO contacts with Etihad at all!!!
I mentioned that because someone asked EYZ if he worked for Etihad,but he never answere,my point was that working or not,should be fair for everyone!
My reading lead me to believe SOs do more legwork, e.g. pre-flight checks, etc. I think its all good though, we need that stuff engraved in our brains.
CruiseControl, I have had one thought about BLANK status. It could be a random bug or something in their software, and perhaps one of the HR people presses 'the wrong button' causing everything to crapshoot, and perhaps they lose the application. The whole status entry completely disappearing (no title 'Status:' and no entry after it, that's what I gather from the earlier posts) is just too odd an implementation. I wonder if there's any benefit in putting in a second application to see what happens? Could you have bad luck twice?
Oh, and for those 'under review', has that now changed after you've received an invite?
However, I'd like others (who have some experience on the HR side of things) as to whether the EY HR computer system would flag a double application. Personally I don't think it should matter, this isn't a lottery, and two applications can easily happen in many systems if the user double clicks the submit button.
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On paper it might seem as hig retribution and for an 18 or 19 yr old that may be right, but really its still in the "nut" kingdom...very close to peanuts.
So...I think you are right...but,if it's only "penauts"...How we can live there?I don't think they will pay for accomodation,trasport ecc... after the completation of the Course..
i heard that once you become an F?O, you start with half the pay and this gradually increases over the next 6 years to par with the starting salary of an F/O.
I'm guessing that the SO/FO renumeration is about that much. I have no concrete evidence, just some maths-based assumption. I've also calculated the 3 year SO, 3 year FO schedule through basic aviation understanding and basic financial estimation, and I could easily be wrong. I'm almost certain they will cover accommodation after graduation. Airlines in that area usually have large residence complexes, or they offer a certain amount of rental cover if you want to get your own place. I think the bonded years will be comfortable living, but not enough to make much savings (dependent on how 'average' a spender you are )
For the level of seniority, I think the pay is acceptable. (Let's not start flames on humility, and 'airlines don't owe you anything'). If after six years EY moves a cadet to full-scale FO base pay at 25k, and presumably another 3-5 years later to Captain's base pay at 35k, I think that's a pretty good career deal; till retirement, if you don't get fired and they don't go bust. The prior can happen quite more easily than here though, so hone your diplomacy skills.
The KEY question is not pay, however. You know that after a few years in most countries you will move up to that kind of pay in a similar time frame, and you will earn that kind of pay for like 20+ years until you retire, so its not really worth considering the early years that much (that's my opinion).
The KEY question is, are you (and your partner/kids if applicable) willing to live in AUH. I remember people talking about moving back home, and needing to change licenses to do that, etc. I think moving back, or living separately from your family (they being in Europe) is a significant undertaking, and requires deep consideration. I know we all love flying, but love is blinding
As regards the work of the SO, I'm not too knowledged, but yeah apart from doing extra legwork, he can also be flight engineer (doing all the calcs, radio, etc, but not really holding the stick) on the bigger, older planes, but I don't think Etihad any of those? I think it applies to the 747 basically, maybe the a340-600? Have they they taken delivery of any of those yet? Maybe the a380 runs that kind of configuration as well?
I'm confused now. I don't think they will make SO's on graduation, if, as I said above, they don't have the aircraft. I think graduates will be FO's, but with cut rate pay. But again, remember that the big part is moving to AUH for a heck of a lot of years (6 + 1.5 training). Geez, I was just starting into uni and THAT was a loooong time ago!!!
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