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Who the hell do they do A340 programme through? At least that one requires a full ATPL...would be scary indeed if there were 250 hour pilots flying that beast on transcons!!!
737NG Type rating and 300 hour line training programme with Royal Air Maroc
Can anybody on here who has done the 737NG 300 hour programme with RAM provide details on the training, whether or not they got an offer of employment with RAM or indeed with any other airline afterwards, living costs and renumeration package?
PM if you wish
Thanks
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Has anybody done the 737 classic TR + Hours with Eagle JET? In which country takes place the SIM trainining. Any Other Countries in doing the Line apart from Turkey? Guys every reply is much appreciated
Hi there anyone who has completed an Eagle Jet program or is still training could give us info about it. Are you guys getting these hours in specified time. Is your contract respected ? etc
no, you won't get the hours. waiting list of thousand pilots desperate to log 200-300 hours.
with this they go nowhere.Only good to pay again another airline for a new line training and see he door after 200h.
hey, who choose to be treated like monkey?
if this training was so good, people would post nice things about them?
Not true; I regularly do runs down to GMMN and have had the opportunity to chat to English / Dutch guy's paying their 'dowry'.
They are flying, logging hours, and seem to be enjoying themselves.
Further; I would understand that they were hoping to be kept on beyond the 'pay to fly' stage. This will allow further 'paid' hours / experience whilst awaiting the recovery of the home market.
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Qatarstudent must 'just be assuming'. His post completely contradicts the guy's opinions that are actually following the RAM programme.
Truth is these fella's are rated, current and building experience as we PPRuNe.
Yes they had to pay a 'dowry', but they are all hoping to be kept on beyond the Line Training Package. They are not left sitting on a useless frozen ATPL with a MEP Rating!!
Frankly, while I hate these 'pay to fly programmes', it would appear that the RAM Scheme actually works for all concerned.
qatarstudent you don't know what you are talking about neither you know any of these guys, so please stop posting made up things. There's enough of that already on these forums.
I always think it supports your credability if you can spell Qatar!!!
This 'clown' has actually climbed the 'slippery pole' into the LHS of a Small Jet and was just offering information that was gained from 'the horses mouth' down route in GMNN.
Perhaps the quote, "no good deed goes unpunished", is true?
I only tried to help answer a question with a little insight that I had learned on the ramp one night. Now, for my trouble, I am a clown; charming!
I always thought PPRuNe was a portal where pilots could help each other whatever their experience level?
Once again: I am no supporter of 'pay to fly', but the chaps I met at RAM did seem to be getting on with their careers.
Apologies for the spelling mistake. However it doesnt change the fact that it is wrong for the pilot to be paying to work. When he is finished paying to work after 300 hours the next pilot will come in and pay to work.
How the hell is anyone ever going to put bread on the table if people keep paying to bloody work? Answer me that if you can with a decent argument. Dont forget Eaglejet have a new scheme for CAPTAINS to pay to work. IT IS AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE.
Yes they had to pay a 'dowry', but they are all hoping to be kept on beyond the Line Training Package. They are not left sitting on a useless frozen ATPL with a MEP Rating!!
That's like being 25, never getting laid and seeing a 65 year old fat bloke banging loads of hot chicks that he has paid - 'at least' he is getting laid huh!? Is it respectable? No. Is it doing him any financial good? No. Is it what the woman would have in an ideal world? No, but she is getting paid stupid amounts of money.
Is paying for this pathetic excuse of a job respectable? No. Is it doing these people any long term financial good? No. Is it what the airline would have in an ideal world? No they would have selected individuals who don't feel the need to buy life and shag the rest of us. QED they are selfish INDIVIDUALS who demonstrate by this very act that they are not team players and are very hasty to act in what is an enormous decision. Neither quality is at all desirable. There is NO justification for it.
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Further; I would understand that they were hoping to be kept on beyond the 'pay to fly' stage.
I am sure they are hoping - good job stating the obvious there fella.
That aside, as they say, aviation is a small world and these guys will stand out on any future job application so don't be so sure.
BigNumber if you are looking for thanks set up your own 'pay to fly' TRTO - there are plenty of morons willing to give you £30000 and thank you whole-heartedly for the pleasure. Truthfully though, good on you for taking the time and making the effort to offer your personal and 'inside' information, it's always useful and helps build a complete picture. It's just a few people around here could do with giving relevant weight to more important bits of information and with the greatest of respect the info you have shared should be of very little relevance to any low houred pilot out there - take the hint, hold tight, work hard and save hard elsewhere, and, come back in a few years. If you can't take that then you (not you bignumber) are a fool and you don't want it enough. Nothing worth it is ever easy and these pathetic schemes are all too 'easy'.
And may I say the freudian slip of writing 'fist' in the title of this thread was increadibly apt.
Hi Beak,
Apologies for my apparent tardiness in reply – duty called. (not been calling so regularly recently!).
I enjoyed your post; more that you recognise that my sole intent was to afford a balanced view in what is the contentious subject of ‘pay to fly’.
Do you think that it might be possible that the apparent stigma in paying for line training might be softening over time? After all, it wasn’t so long ago that paid TR’s were frowned upon! I do not share the view that all employers ‘laugh off’ those that have paid so dearly for Line Training. The requisite funding does not come easily. This alone demonstrates a huge commitment from those involved.
This being the case, then paying for line training is now a requisite evil and wannabes would be mad not to complete it! How will future MEP / IR FATPL’s compete with CV’s ‘boasting’ 500 Jet on type?
When was the last time you spotted a genuine FATPL Job advertised? I honestly can’t!
For my part, I am glad that I am not entering the race in today’s challenging market place. I fear that I would not fair well. Best I stick with my CJ.
Beak, I have always enjoyed your posts. I am sorry that I have not had the chance to fly with you.
BN
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Do you think that it might be possible that the apparent stigma in paying for line training might be softening over time?
Absolutely, I think one day it'll more or less be the only way. People have given an inch and it would need incredible unity to take it back which I don't believe will ever happen because, as has been said many times before, there is always someone else willing to do this relatively pleasant and satisfying job for less.
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When was the last time you spotted a genuine FATPL Job advertised?
None without there being a large price tag attached. There is no need to advertise as I am sure they have ample C.V.s on file.
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Beak, I have always enjoyed your posts. I am sorry that I have not had the chance to fly with you.
) are a fool and you don't want it enough. Nothing worth it is ever easy and these pathetic schemes are all too 'easy'.
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