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if people didnt pay for type ratings, no one would have to.
the problem with all the young sprogs today is that they have too much money and think that by purchasing themselves a job they will win in the end. unfortunately this is not the way it works.
its a viscious circle and it never stops. stop paying for the ratings and get trained by the airlines that want to employ you. these low cost carriers that are having accidents all over the place at the moment are having prangs simply because they are not making the right investment in their people. low cost means poor training. a sad but completely true fact.
stop paying for ratings and you will find that carriers will have to start paying for them.
the problem with all the young sprogs today is that they have too much money
Really? I beg to differ. Have a look at my loan repayment schedule for the next 6 years. It's not me, or my piers that have too much money, it's the bank manager.
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low cost means poor training. a sad but completely true fact.
Fact? No ithinkso, what you are doing is confusing fact with total absolute bullsht. The level of twaddle spouted on PPRuNe these days is sadly on the rise, but you are really taking the twaddle spouting to new levels with this one. At best you are making an overwhelming and completely untrue generalisation. Tell me, which LCCs have you worked for, and therefore experienced this poor level of training in?
People do not have a lot of money, I think the problem is that young kids prefer get in debt and get pay peanuts but have the "I am flying a 737" than work on small planes and go up in size slowly (without having to pay)
The only problem is that forces everyone to have a TR since the companies will exploit this "big time" like they are doing it right now.
Why do I need a MCC why do I need a TR why do I need a ATPL written. To fly a plane(and get pay) you only need the Commercial License.
Accidents, I am afraid we will see more and more soon. And thank God(or whatever entity you believe on, or just luck) they are flying planes that fly by themselves. Not like this weekend Thai disaster....
Get an FI license and learn a bit before anything else....... specially now that they pay is good (it will allow you to wipe out that debt in 1 year!) and there is plenty of FI jobs in the world.
ALways Moving, you provide some interesting commentary. However I must take issue with your last statement to get a FI rating and wipe out your debt within one year? I find the debt almost always dwarfs the income from salary.
ive been fortunate enough never to have to work for a low cost carrier. ihave never paid for a TR and i never will.
the fact is you cant argue with statistics. since the low cost carrier model has appeared, they have consistently had a higher accident rate that their higher cost cousins.
Always moving - I think its a bit disrespectful to the deceased and the pilots involved in the Thai disaster to start talking about type ratings, training and linking the two together.
The training provided by the LCCs certainly in the UK is excellent and I know first hand that they chop people who don't make the grade.
There is a time and place, but maybe not after a serious air accident.
low cost means poor training. a sad but completely true fac
totally true
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Tell me, which LCCs have you worked for, and therefore experienced this poor level of training in
look at Vueling.
poor level of training.
2 hours sim training only every 6 months(just to satisfy regulations),
when some of my friends at Air France have free simulator every month.
I am absolutely not surprised why airplane crashed at the end of runways.
How many wet landing did I do? none.
reason? the sim costs 900 euro/hour, so who will pay for that?
and when you stick to minimum, accidents happen.
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dartagnan,
You're talking tripe again, the minimum legal requirement is 6 monthly, not monthly, simulator and 95% ish of operators adhere to this and without crashing planes at ends of runways.
"I am clueless but have an opinion about eveything"
Now this has to be one of the most stupid post in the history of PPRuNe.
Always Moving, would you mind starting a thread where you give your opinion about current affairs, sports, politics...? It could make really interesting reading!
Even better start a Blog, I promise, we won't laugh...
That's easy said:" start small and grow to bigger aircraft". Not everybody has this opportunity. Even small companies do have requirements, requirements which are still unrealistsic for ab-initios.
Call me a taxi-operator who pays my type and i will be working for them!!
What a shame this otherwise useful thread has degenerated into such worthless tripe - helped massively by Always Moving. Along with his ill-informed opinions, he has now slumped into the gutter with highly objectionable rants about recently deceased persons. Shame on you AM.
As for the repeated cry by Always Moving, ithinkso and others that everyone should stop paying for type ratings en-mass, the situation is rather similar to that of rubber-necking on the motorway. Everybody wishes to blame the car just in front of them for slowing down, yet they are foced to do exactly the same. The fact is that you can never find the original culprit who started the problem, yet the effects are every bit in evidence. Worse, there is little you can do to 'correct the wrongs' without considerable harm to yourself.
Stating that everyone should immediately stop paying for type ratings is as purile as saying that nobody should ever slow down at the site of an accident, whether or not the car in front does. Following that dictat exactly will inevitably lead to self made difficulties, whether driving past an accident scene or pursuing a career in aviation. Unpalatable, but an almost inevitable fact of modern life.
Your sphere of concern is often broader than your sphere of influence. Have the guts to change what you can, the fortitude to accept what you can't, and the wisdom to be able to distinguish between the two.
It's all very well harping on about not paying, but there will always be someone who will - people can't be guided by the hand the way we'd like them to be!
ithinkso and others that everyone should stop paying for type ratings en-mass
and how do you want stop to pay for your type rating, when I have received 3 offers by 3 airlines this last year(Vueling/Tyrolean/AirDenim), and one for line training by JetAtlas where I have to pay if I want fly.
I have not found one airline ready to finance the type rating.
A320 Type Rated First Officers for Line Training and Line Experience by their own expenses;
General Requirements;
* JAR FCL ATPL / Frozen ATPL
* Type Rating on A320 valid 1 year * Valid Class 1 Medical Certificate valid 1 year
* Fluent English (written and spoken)
1.We take the work permit for you from the government
2.the amount for the training is 70.00 USD/per hour
3.you must take at least 150 flight hours (total amount for is150x70USD=10.500 USD)
4.accommodation and other expenses are to be covered by your self in Istanbul
When the accumulating 500 hrs on A320 , you may have a chance to join the company A320 fleet by the contract, whether you have sufficient performance.
There will be selection process of candidates who will be eligible to have Line and Line Experience Training
Screening on 11 / 10 / 2007 at 04:00 – 08:00
For the interview fill out attached forms and bring them with the followings with you please:
·Pilot license valid 1 year ( colored )
·Medical license valid 1 year ( colored )
·Passport valid ( colored )
·Diploma valid ( colored )
·24 pass photos valid ( like the photos on your passport )
Please scan above mentioned documents coloredand bring them on a flash player ( memory,usb ) with you,
We can’t accept the documents if you just bring copies,
because we have to keep them as soft copies
on our computer ( if you get employed we will need them later )
Thank you very much for your cooperate and understanding,
Last edited by dartagnan : 21st September 2007 at 15:33.
ive been fortunate enough never to have to work for a low cost carrier
Then how can you possibly comment on the standard of training in any LCC, anywhere? I work for a European LCC and the standard of training, both initial and recurrent, is excellent. More importantly, my colleagues in the LHS who have worked at legacy and charter outfits all over the world think the same, and they actually have a basis for comparison. I say again ithinkso, you are generalising - what you state is not fact, it is your personal opinion.
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the fact is you cant argue with statistics. since the low cost carrier model has appeared, they have consistently had a higher accident rate that their higher cost cousins.
Go find these statistics. It could take you some time to dig them up however - they don't exist. I'm just curious as to the reasons behind your unfounded prejudice towards LCCs. Do you view myself (and my 1500 colleagues) as inferior and incapable because I was trained by and am currently employed by an LCC?
t. The level of twaddle spouted on PPRuNe these days is sadly on the rise, but you are really taking the twaddle spouting to new levels with this one. At best you are making an overwhelming and completely untrue generalisation. Tell me, which LCCs have you worked for, and therefore experienced this poor level of training in?
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