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Working hard YES working more than 40h a week NO(without any more monetary compensation as per LAW), just because you want to work more (if you are not getting compensated for it) is the same as buying a TR or work for peanuts.
And I think some people in this forum do not understand the TR problem. PLEASE read the archives it has been talked thoroughly.
Think about us not just you and what is going to happen to you in the future if you think only about yourself.
this is not a normal career.....thinking about the rest of us is a load of hog wash sometimes simply because if you don't take the job your hours and experience wont change and neither will your prospects.....
UNLESS THERE IS A MASS PILOT STRIKE THINGS WILL CHANGE EXCRUCIATINGLY SLOWLY
I agree, think WE not ME, and thats what I did when I gave a young upstart twin time and an endorsement on a C208 (and gave up some of that time/pay for myself) in return for him working hard and being a good bloke he will get the right hours and not have to post questions regarding where the jobs are..... (support your fellow pilots even though the employers sometimes dont)
I am not saying accept dangerous jobs and foolhardy financial prospects but surely one who enters the workforce and is not prepared to do the hard yards (both in pay and time) simply does not deserve the job due to the silver spoon attitude. You get nothing for nothing! Unfortunately the only place i could bargain for my wage was skydiving (sorta) and instructing (now that there is a shortage).
generally most places wont make you work more than the CAO's limit but it comes down to what are you getting out of it?
After a few hours under your belt you definitely have more bargaining power and can afford to tell the boss that's not good enough but until then low time pilots cannot afford snob the industry/GA..... hell we all gotta eat! And working hard does build character.
So if your really worried about a job, go get an instructing job where you could almost name your price and be employed.........but hey everyone wants that top job/pay first! until then........
I am new on here and dont knwo how to start a new forum, i just wanted some advice, i have alwasy been fascinated with aviation industry and my perfect job would have been an airline pilot, but thats out of question as i dont have the finance, and i thought about cabincrew but i am only 5ft tall, what else is there that i can get into?? any ideas?
If you don't have the finance, then why don't you go out and earn some money. Work as hard as you can for a few years and save like hell until you have enough money to go for it. It is not that difficult (in theory).
On a more serious note, cutiepie - just because your 5ft may mean you can't work for larger operators, but companies like Eastern Airways and regionals have smaller aircraft so you might get a look in with them? I know eastern are recruiting for all bases - http://www.easternairways.com/content/view/52/110/
As a newly trained pilot I'm struggling to find any employment out there in Aus.
I'm willing to go do the hard yards and relocate. I have done the old send my resume out and knock on doors but the response is all the same at the moment... need a few more hours mate but I'll keep ya in mind.
Only with 170 hours, I know I'm very inexperienced but just need a start to boost those hours up because I'm not a guy with much cash laying around seeing I've spent it all to get where I'm at.
I've read alot about how hard you've all worked to get there, but now it's time to work and fly. I need FI's if you want to put those fantastic skills of yours to good use and train the next generation of AV8'rs.
We have been here on this issue many times before. Alot of you newly trained pilots think that it is better to buy a type rating and circumvent the instructor route.
I was talking on this issue with a colleague the other day and we listed all the people we knew who had gone out and bought a 737 or 320 rating out of a dozen we could ony think if 1 who actually got a job from it. they have yet to use their type ratings and are flying other types.
I know for a fact that a UK low cost airline who is recruiting are not taking on too many low hours guys now. They have spent the last few years taking these guys on and need to recruit staff with thousands of hours and command time.
As many of you will know I instructed for 3 years although it is hard to make a living every hour in that log book is worth its weight in gold
If that first job is not forthcoming for gods sake do an instructors rating DO NOT be tempted back to your previous career (maybe because you need the money) you will ultimately find it harder to get your first Aviation job.
This is largely my current dilemna. While I would actually want to come back to instructing after I have put some decent money away from the airlines, I find myself now wondering whether to pay for an integrated course and risk needing to pay for an FI course as well if I don't get a FO job, or bank on the FI rating being a reality and initially save money by going modular.
Mr Horgy, re post 202:
What are you going to do when you're no longer 22 and living at home? What happens when it's you with the house, car and expensive wife and you need a new job that demands a buying a TR which some young pup who's only 22 and living at home is willing to pay for????
Jeez lads, wake up, look at the big picture. You're cutting your own throats.
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Different people will have different routes into the industry.
Some of which destroy your future, some of which don't You've admitted that the TR route is not sustainable, so why not try a different route that protects your future?
When I am not 22, and not living at home, I will examine my options and assess the risk of investing in my future against the risk imposed on my family. I wouldn't dare dream of having kids unless I was in a stable, enjoyable job anyway.
I don't call banging my head against a wall a career path, if I have to stump up a little more money than so be it.
Rookie Bondi, if you're willing to relocate, then do so.
Sending resumes may work if you're a Grade 1 with Twin training approval etc.. Read through the Dununda forums for the tips and tricks for the big drive.
Everyone has there own opinions and what they want to do, dont try and tell some one they are wrong cause they are 22 years old, the lad sounds pretty switched on to me and knows what he wants and its crertainly not a bitching session off someone!
Mr Horgy your "so be it" is the prevailing reason/attitude of even the companies are short on pilots, they have "BUY A JOB" schemes in the business.
So is NOT "so be it", besides, if I am your boss I will be like Yeeeaaa the next renewal we are gonna shake this Horgy for another few thousand dollars or his TR will expire, you know he swallows he already did it once.....he probably like it too
Please don't confuse my "so be it" as a "i'm giving up this is inevitable" type attitude. Unfortunately I wasn't one of those lucky people to afford to go to Oxford and so an interview didn't land on my lap. Approximately 80 airlines have my CV and I have had ONE reply - "Thanks we'll contact you if we're scraping the barrel" etc..
My attitude is well if something has to be done then it's better to go and do it - I refer you to my previous comments about weighing up the pros and cons. If an airline invites me to fly for them but I smell a rat then I won't take it pure and simple, it's an informed decision. That's one of the reasons I trawl PPRuNe amongst other sources for information on employers.
I still stand by any decisions I make, whether people like them or not. Once I am installed in a job (touch wood it happens) then I will be campaigning and pressuring where possible to make companies pay for TR's as much as possible. But unfortunately, that day is past now.
You mention that 80 airlines have your CV and you have had 1 reply. Does that not tell you something.
This is going to sound a little brutal but you need to get hours whether that is glider towing, parachute dropping or instructing.
Alot of the LCC have done nothing over the last few years taken 200 hour guys. They have too many now they need people with hours to average out the experience level.
Bare in mind there is going to be alot more consolidation in the industry now (e.g Easy buying GB etc) also there will have to be mergers certainly in the turbo prop operators to remain in business against the beast that is FLYBE. Add the uncetainty of a high oil price there may not be as much growth in the industry.
Anyway what do I know I almost gave up on the industry and now I am a captain......! you have to do anything to make yourself stand out from the other 200 hour candidates (I do not include buying you own type rating in this)
Incidently I was partnered with a pilot who qualifed in 1996 the other day and still has not got into the airlines has 500 hours and bought his own type rating with a promise of a position which came to nothing.....!
anyway i am sure i have written enough to hang myself and be shot down
until then........
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