FTE (Jerez) Grads - Who has got a Job?
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FTE- WHat have they done about it?
So what on earth are FTE goign to do about it? Its very easy to be persuaded by glossy covers or smooth talking instructors, as you guys said, they are selling a product. Have any of you given feedback to FTE??
What have you guys heard about other airlines help in job hunting, in comparison?? Its a difficult game but i doubt it only applies to FTE.
Also the Pre-Approval process baffles me, are you meant to request it of the airlines whilst you are completely unqualified and prior to starting training.
What have you guys heard about other airlines help in job hunting, in comparison?? Its a difficult game but i doubt it only applies to FTE.
Also the Pre-Approval process baffles me, are you meant to request it of the airlines whilst you are completely unqualified and prior to starting training.
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Is this not an informal case of discrimination?
Also This is a great system, BUT FOR ONE REASON:
Nobody I have spoken too, were openly given a description of this process(a process they were about to enter unaware), when they paid up their pony..or passed the 'selection'..............
This type of system seems to create a 'Spanish Mafia' type of Management within the Compound............
EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS PROCESS, BEFORE ENTERING A SELCTION PROCESS, AND ALSO BE AWARE OF THE SECRETIVE ODDS, of success.........btw the numbers of recommendations seem to vary to the extreme, depending on the actual course ............(in my huble opinion)
Also This is a great system, BUT FOR ONE REASON:
Nobody I have spoken too, were openly given a description of this process(a process they were about to enter unaware), when they paid up their pony..or passed the 'selection'..............
This type of system seems to create a 'Spanish Mafia' type of Management within the Compound............
EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS PROCESS, BEFORE ENTERING A SELCTION PROCESS, AND ALSO BE AWARE OF THE SECRETIVE ODDS, of success.........btw the numbers of recommendations seem to vary to the extreme, depending on the actual course ............(in my huble opinion)
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Capt Caos,
I stand corrected, that was what I was told before I started, and you are right some modular have been recommended since my course..............Either I am not bothered, have a job and all that, without the FTE assistance, but back to the point of this what seems 'Cruel' process......
I stand corrected, that was what I was told before I started, and you are right some modular have been recommended since my course..............Either I am not bothered, have a job and all that, without the FTE assistance, but back to the point of this what seems 'Cruel' process......
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Simple
Now some of you wannabes out there think that the whole airline system is designed to get everybody a job - well it's not!
Tagging - this is where the airline and FTE get together in the persuit of the best individual to SUIT the airline.
FTE want to be involved wth the airlines, which is why they don't do modular any more. They do take on self sponsor people, but only to make up the numbers - they wouldn't take em if the could go 100% tagged.
The deal is the airline and FTE advertise for recruits. FTE do phase 1 - 3 of selection - sorting the wheat from the chaff. Phase 4 is done by the airline - the final selection phase. Those that are successful pay their own way thru FTE - no risk to said company. If the student gets all the way thru with a reasonably acceptable performance they have a job at the end, if not, no recommendation then on your own. As there has been double selection then the failure to achieve recommendation rate is expected to be low.
Reasonably acceptable performance does NOT mean everything has to be passed first time!
In the end the students want to go to a school which will give em a job (i.e. FTE, who get their money). The school wants the money from the students and the airline wants the right guys/girls for them.
Might not suit you but..................
Look at www.flighttrainingeurope.com
Tagging - this is where the airline and FTE get together in the persuit of the best individual to SUIT the airline.
FTE want to be involved wth the airlines, which is why they don't do modular any more. They do take on self sponsor people, but only to make up the numbers - they wouldn't take em if the could go 100% tagged.
The deal is the airline and FTE advertise for recruits. FTE do phase 1 - 3 of selection - sorting the wheat from the chaff. Phase 4 is done by the airline - the final selection phase. Those that are successful pay their own way thru FTE - no risk to said company. If the student gets all the way thru with a reasonably acceptable performance they have a job at the end, if not, no recommendation then on your own. As there has been double selection then the failure to achieve recommendation rate is expected to be low.
Reasonably acceptable performance does NOT mean everything has to be passed first time!
In the end the students want to go to a school which will give em a job (i.e. FTE, who get their money). The school wants the money from the students and the airline wants the right guys/girls for them.
Might not suit you but..................
Look at www.flighttrainingeurope.com
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Not so simple
anotherspaceman,
I think you are certainly correct that FTE isn't that interested in self-sponsored cadets, and this shows.
It's no secret that SS cadets are treated as second-class citizens when it comes to prioritizing student's flights, tests, progress and even recommendations. However, I think it would be important for the school, and especially the finance department to realise that SS cadets do make up a large portion of the business, and they wouldn't want to lose that. Yet still, support for SS cadets remains poor.
What I will say is that the training at FTE is top notch. The instructors, both ground and flying, are some of the best teachers you could hope for. With their huge wealth of experience and nerves of steel, they are a real credit to the school.
Most people's problems lie with the management and their lack of "after sales support". So your remark that most students want to go to a school that will give them the best chance of getting a job is very true, in turn prospective may want to consider all their options.
I'll hold comment on the recommendation process for another rant.
I think you are certainly correct that FTE isn't that interested in self-sponsored cadets, and this shows.
It's no secret that SS cadets are treated as second-class citizens when it comes to prioritizing student's flights, tests, progress and even recommendations. However, I think it would be important for the school, and especially the finance department to realise that SS cadets do make up a large portion of the business, and they wouldn't want to lose that. Yet still, support for SS cadets remains poor.
What I will say is that the training at FTE is top notch. The instructors, both ground and flying, are some of the best teachers you could hope for. With their huge wealth of experience and nerves of steel, they are a real credit to the school.
Most people's problems lie with the management and their lack of "after sales support". So your remark that most students want to go to a school that will give them the best chance of getting a job is very true, in turn prospective may want to consider all their options.
I'll hold comment on the recommendation process for another rant.
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Uh?
Well FTE, glad you have graduated - congratulations!
As you appear to have agreed with me, it appears that it is indeed quite simple.
Remember that other institutions, such as Oxford, have their pecking order too.
Whilst this is true at the moment, it is an ever reducing proportion, which suits FTE
The SS students will eventually find it difficult to find a place at one of the major schools as tagging grows. Modular students are now experiencing difficulty finding somewhere to spend their cash.
It will continue like this until there is a downturn in the aviation industry when the boot will be firmly attached to the other foot. In the meantime FTE sees tagging as the best way forward for its business. If it produces only high calibre tagged students who go directly to an airline it will be more than happy.
As you appear to have agreed with me, it appears that it is indeed quite simple.
Remember that other institutions, such as Oxford, have their pecking order too.
the finance department to realise that SS cadets do make up a large portion of the business
The SS students will eventually find it difficult to find a place at one of the major schools as tagging grows. Modular students are now experiencing difficulty finding somewhere to spend their cash.
It will continue like this until there is a downturn in the aviation industry when the boot will be firmly attached to the other foot. In the meantime FTE sees tagging as the best way forward for its business. If it produces only high calibre tagged students who go directly to an airline it will be more than happy.
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Not being on a mixed SS and airline cadet course i can't really comment on the supposed prioritisation on the airline boys vs. the ss guys. However on my SS course i saw no evidence of other courses taking priority over us.
I feel the school do a fair job in getting people interviews, not an amazing job but a fair job. They never claim they will get people jobs, the best they can do is provide interview chances. It's then up to the individual. Also, just cause FTE or any other FTO have "contacts" doesn't mean you shouldn't apply to every other possible job. You have to help yourself in this industry.
I'm sure OAT and Cabair offer similar opportunities to all thier students although i have heard airline cadets at OAT do get some priority. Maybe an OAT grad could provide some insight into this.
With a lot of luck and a lot of money the jobs are out there.
I feel the school do a fair job in getting people interviews, not an amazing job but a fair job. They never claim they will get people jobs, the best they can do is provide interview chances. It's then up to the individual. Also, just cause FTE or any other FTO have "contacts" doesn't mean you shouldn't apply to every other possible job. You have to help yourself in this industry.
I'm sure OAT and Cabair offer similar opportunities to all thier students although i have heard airline cadets at OAT do get some priority. Maybe an OAT grad could provide some insight into this.
With a lot of luck and a lot of money the jobs are out there.
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FTE Course 51 Job update
Just returning to the original thread a little - course 51 graduated in December and as of today we are:
4 pre-approved students with BA CityFlyer, on the RJ in Edinburgh and just about on the line now
2 self-sponsored picked up by BA CityFlyer, one started last week, the other in the holding pool, both for the RJ in Edinburgh
1 self-sponsored picked up by Connect but now with FlyBe, in type rating
1 self-sponsored just finishing type rating with Aer Lingus
1 self-sponsored starting type rating with RyanAir next week.
The other 3 graduates (also self-sponsored) are still waiting, though 1 has a sim check this week with BA and another a sim with RyanAir sometime soon.
Overall not bad for four months after graduation. At least four of the self-sponsored guys have directly benefited from the school's recommendations - but... there's a fair amount of ill feeling both towards the school's after-graduation support and the recommendation process.
We as a course had the process explained to us personally by management in an hour-long question and answer towards the end of the course - but, even then, if you look at the empirical evidence of exactly who got what and with what results in their flying tests, it's sometimes difficult to follow through the logic, and to tie up what we're told with what actually happens. Inevitably, some people are left feeling very disappointed and disillusioned with the whole thing - just look around this forum for proof of that!
Undoubtedly, if you can get yourself on a pre-approved scheme, that's the way to go.
4 pre-approved students with BA CityFlyer, on the RJ in Edinburgh and just about on the line now
2 self-sponsored picked up by BA CityFlyer, one started last week, the other in the holding pool, both for the RJ in Edinburgh
1 self-sponsored picked up by Connect but now with FlyBe, in type rating
1 self-sponsored just finishing type rating with Aer Lingus
1 self-sponsored starting type rating with RyanAir next week.
The other 3 graduates (also self-sponsored) are still waiting, though 1 has a sim check this week with BA and another a sim with RyanAir sometime soon.
Overall not bad for four months after graduation. At least four of the self-sponsored guys have directly benefited from the school's recommendations - but... there's a fair amount of ill feeling both towards the school's after-graduation support and the recommendation process.
We as a course had the process explained to us personally by management in an hour-long question and answer towards the end of the course - but, even then, if you look at the empirical evidence of exactly who got what and with what results in their flying tests, it's sometimes difficult to follow through the logic, and to tie up what we're told with what actually happens. Inevitably, some people are left feeling very disappointed and disillusioned with the whole thing - just look around this forum for proof of that!
Undoubtedly, if you can get yourself on a pre-approved scheme, that's the way to go.
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Course 45
We graduated in April 2006. Out of 7 (all self sponsored):
3 got GB airways A320/21
1 got Thompson Fly 757
1 got Logan Air on the Saab
1 is doing his A320 type rating at the moment for My Travel
1 has got interviews and sim rides coming up.
I personally dont have any complaints bar the usual food etc. Some more challenging cage cricket teams to play against would have been a bonus though.
Well done everybody on Course 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51 and 52. It seems like a lot of you did well and have got jobs.
3 got GB airways A320/21
1 got Thompson Fly 757
1 got Logan Air on the Saab
1 is doing his A320 type rating at the moment for My Travel
1 has got interviews and sim rides coming up.
I personally dont have any complaints bar the usual food etc. Some more challenging cage cricket teams to play against would have been a bonus though.
Well done everybody on Course 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51 and 52. It seems like a lot of you did well and have got jobs.
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Hi,
When I visited FTE I asked a few students there on and off the Thomsonfly approved scheme and they told me "it's a bit of a joke" and that the airline "messed us around"... and that it's not worth being on these approved schemes considering that if you do get a recommendation you have more choice?
When I visited FTE I asked a few students there on and off the Thomsonfly approved scheme and they told me "it's a bit of a joke" and that the airline "messed us around"... and that it's not worth being on these approved schemes considering that if you do get a recommendation you have more choice?
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Do many self sponsored students get jobs with airlines which are not one of the "partner airlines". i.e. not through a recommendation to a partner airline? If I was to apply to say, easyjet or bmi, what kind of chance would I stand after having been to FTE?
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Hello,
Having Graduated a few months ago i believe, the FTE reccomendation process in my opinion is a waste of time and i am still not sure how it works. But i do know that i worked my a*se off for the whole 14months out there to recieve no reccommendation as they thought i didnt put in enough effort.
Got 1st time cpl/ IR Worked the hardest out the course with my MCC partner and still nothing.
Where as there were people on the course who Messed up cpls and IR's Turned up to sims twatted and they still all get reccommended so where the logic is in the whole thing is beyond me!!!
I didnt go to FTE expecing to get a reccommendation but it is still dissappointing that when you really try hard they leave u high and dry trying to find a job.
I wouldnt Reccommend anyone goes to FTE just on the hope of a reccommendation, but i would reccommend to go because the instructors ground and flying are second to none!!!!
Having Graduated a few months ago i believe, the FTE reccomendation process in my opinion is a waste of time and i am still not sure how it works. But i do know that i worked my a*se off for the whole 14months out there to recieve no reccommendation as they thought i didnt put in enough effort.
Got 1st time cpl/ IR Worked the hardest out the course with my MCC partner and still nothing.
Where as there were people on the course who Messed up cpls and IR's Turned up to sims twatted and they still all get reccommended so where the logic is in the whole thing is beyond me!!!
I didnt go to FTE expecing to get a reccommendation but it is still dissappointing that when you really try hard they leave u high and dry trying to find a job.
I wouldnt Reccommend anyone goes to FTE just on the hope of a reccommendation, but i would reccommend to go because the instructors ground and flying are second to none!!!!
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Some people manage to complete the course in the required hours
i only know of a few people who dont, and it tends to come after partialling or failing a flight test, and if you fail some of the training flights i think i was between 5 and 11 hours overflown on the course. If you get a ppl before the course starts which maybe benificial, then you can have a reduction on the dual hours needed in the warrior.
Some people manage to complete the course in the required hours
i only know of a few people who dont, and it tends to come after partialling or failing a flight test, and if you fail some of the training flights i think i was between 5 and 11 hours overflown on the course. If you get a ppl before the course starts which maybe benificial, then you can have a reduction on the dual hours needed in the warrior.
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Hi guys
Did any of you take advantage of the loan deal with BBVA ?
If so can you tell me what the repayments are like and for how long, also what do you need to secure the loan (house?)
Thanks
Did any of you take advantage of the loan deal with BBVA ?
If so can you tell me what the repayments are like and for how long, also what do you need to secure the loan (house?)
Thanks
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Could somebody kindly share on update on this matter and explain how FTE graduates are doing these days? I've been reading those with at least an ICAO level 4 Spanish have ended up in Vueling, a few in Volotea and some in Ryanair, Jet2 as well. Is this correct?
Could a few current self-sponsored graduates of this year share their experiences?
Cheers!
Could a few current self-sponsored graduates of this year share their experiences?
Cheers!
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Slightly skewed in the last 2 years. A lot of courses are filled with emirates, cityflyer, BA aer lingus etc.
BA guys are just starting, Aer Lingus have done well and I believe most (all?) are now on line, emirates steady flow on to 777 type ratings. I've heard whispers of one or two getting Jet2 pilot apprentice but don't quote me. I know of 3 at Ryanair, a few have got volotea and Vueling (requires Spanish) and neither is assured.
Flybe guys who were there, don't have jobs. A lot of self sponsored without jobs though as well and not a great deal in the way of companies queuing up to hire as was the case a few years back. It's tough out there but looking up.
Long story short don't go self sponsored and think there will be a job at the end of it. Training is top notch at FTE but know what you're getting in to. In a few years when things are on the up maybe, but right now don't unless your sponsored. Im sure the same holds for most of the schools.
BA guys are just starting, Aer Lingus have done well and I believe most (all?) are now on line, emirates steady flow on to 777 type ratings. I've heard whispers of one or two getting Jet2 pilot apprentice but don't quote me. I know of 3 at Ryanair, a few have got volotea and Vueling (requires Spanish) and neither is assured.
Flybe guys who were there, don't have jobs. A lot of self sponsored without jobs though as well and not a great deal in the way of companies queuing up to hire as was the case a few years back. It's tough out there but looking up.
Long story short don't go self sponsored and think there will be a job at the end of it. Training is top notch at FTE but know what you're getting in to. In a few years when things are on the up maybe, but right now don't unless your sponsored. Im sure the same holds for most of the schools.