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Point taken.
Some of us joined the aviation industry a little after the good old days - when airlines paid for most if not all of the training. Sad though it may be, times have changed for the worse? My personal thought is there will be no going back to those days.
I don't usually get drawn into arguing the rights and wrongs of these types of issues, but I do know a bit about Loganair. On this particular point, they appeared to be getting a bad press. This is not justified.
Like many other airlines are not perfect.
However, the deal they offer, if it has not changed from the one they offered for the last year or so, is very fair. If you stay for the three years, it will not cost you a penny - if you arrange your loan sensibly, you could even make a little money out of it yourself!
(not enough to give up work though!)
Some of us joined the aviation industry a little after the good old days - when airlines paid for most if not all of the training. Sad though it may be, times have changed for the worse? My personal thought is there will be no going back to those days.
I don't usually get drawn into arguing the rights and wrongs of these types of issues, but I do know a bit about Loganair. On this particular point, they appeared to be getting a bad press. This is not justified.
Like many other airlines are not perfect.
However, the deal they offer, if it has not changed from the one they offered for the last year or so, is very fair. If you stay for the three years, it will not cost you a penny - if you arrange your loan sensibly, you could even make a little money out of it yourself!
(not enough to give up work though!)
This arrangement certainly has some attraction for an airline. Consider the "normal" case where airline pays for TR and bonds joiner for x years. After six months new guy gets offer of shiny jet job and leaves. Airline asks for bond back. Departee tells them to "s*d off!". Lot of hassle for airline, do they go through the courts?.
But if new guy has to pay up-front and then decides to leave before agreed time, airline doesn't lose out.
Beancounters will love it!
But if new guy has to pay up-front and then decides to leave before agreed time, airline doesn't lose out.
Beancounters will love it!
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
This arrangement certainly has some attraction for an airline. Consider the "normal" case where airline pays for TR and bonds joiner for x years. After six months new guy gets offer of shiny jet job and leaves. Airline asks for bond back. Departee tells them to "s*d off!". Lot of hassle for airline, do they go through the courts?.
But if new guy has to pay up-front and then decides to leave before agreed time, airline doesn't lose out.
Beancounters will love it!
But if new guy has to pay up-front and then decides to leave before agreed time, airline doesn't lose out.
Beancounters will love it!
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Hello
"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as of yesterday, Loganair now require you to make a prepayment of £13500 for the type rating on the Saab, which is in no way refunded, followed by a further £6000 for the OPC, Circuits and line training, which they loan to you and you repay (+interest) over 3 years, therefore costing you a total of about £20,000. They will not offer you employment until you have completed the type rating. This also applies to all those already in the holding pool. ""
where did you hear this news ? if it was from the standard reply given when you send you cv, could u cut n paste it for is all to see !
I heard that they were trying to encourage people to go n get type rated first at their own expense, then they would be top of the que for hiring, but I havent heard of the above arrangement !!
So anyone got proof of this ?????
Roja
"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but as of yesterday, Loganair now require you to make a prepayment of £13500 for the type rating on the Saab, which is in no way refunded, followed by a further £6000 for the OPC, Circuits and line training, which they loan to you and you repay (+interest) over 3 years, therefore costing you a total of about £20,000. They will not offer you employment until you have completed the type rating. This also applies to all those already in the holding pool. "" where did you hear this news
? if it was from the standard reply given when you send you cv, could u cut n paste it for is all to see !I heard that they were trying to encourage people to go n get type rated first at their own expense, then they would be top of the que for hiring, but I havent heard of the above arrangement !!
So anyone got proof of this ?????
Roja
Originally Posted by Fancy Navigator
Surely you can't tell them to f... off if you are bonded and there is a legal agreement and you know you are going to lose if you're taken to court?
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
Obviously, but if it saves the airline all the hassle of going to court in the first place they are in a win-win situation.
If this scheme was now to be implemented, it shows you, though, what airlines like Loganair have been through! How many guys and girls have promised Loganair that they would be faithful to the company, and at the first opportunity, once they have the hours, etc.... bye bye.....
using excuses like... "oh, my wife does not like Glasgow....." " I have family down South...." 
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Originally Posted by Roja
Hello
where did you hear this news ? if it was from the standard reply given when you send you cv, could u cut n paste it for is all to see !
where did you hear this news
? if it was from the standard reply given when you send you cv, could u cut n paste it for is all to see !Last edited by Fancy Navigator; 18th Jul 2006 at 15:03.
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.......and the airlines have long memories and talk to each other! There was a guy at my Virgin interview who had broken one bond to go to another airline and then came to Virgin for the interview with a view to do the same thing. He ended up having a stand up row with the interviewers and got told to sling his hook! They were well aware of his history and his plans to do the dirty AGAIN.....
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I am due to finish my training next year and would like most of us on here would love to fly for Loganair!!!!!BUT if this is true and i have to find close to £20,000 for training with no written promise of job during the TR training,then sadly Loganair becomes a non-starter
And i know there are empty promises made,but if i got in with Loganair that would be it for me
What i mean is they could be turning away alot of future loyal pilots.Why not just double the bond period?
And i know there are empty promises made,but if i got in with Loganair that would be it for meWhat i mean is they could be turning away alot of future loyal pilots.Why not just double the bond period?
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Loganair Application
Hi all. Ist day on PPRUNE. I was looking at Loganair's Application form and it asks if you have Performance A and Performance C. I may just be acting thick but what is Performance C. I have just got my Frozen ATPL and did the usual ATPL exams.
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Loganair operate Performance C aircraft (BN2) as well as Performance A types. This was indeed the old CAA system where different exams were set for different performance groupings. (Perf E was light single engine aircraft for example).
Not sure of the new JAA system of Perf written examinations; sounds like they haven't updated their forms.
Not sure of the new JAA system of Perf written examinations; sounds like they haven't updated their forms.
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Saab 340 type rating
Guys,
Can someone tell me:
What's the discrepancy on this thread between the saab rating costing £12k and £13.5k ?
Which one is it and why have the different figures arisen?
Cheers,
IH
Can someone tell me:
What's the discrepancy on this thread between the saab rating costing £12k and £13.5k ?
Which one is it and why have the different figures arisen?
Cheers,
IH
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This is madness - if you are going to buy a rating for £20k you could have something useful like an A320 or a 737. Why buy a Saab rating and work for £25k a year at LC when you can get waaaaay more on the Airbus?
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Uncle Dickie !! I take it as you know about the roster n all that, that you work for Loganair ? if so........ have you actually had it confirmed from the "Management" that they now want future pilots to pay for the type rating and no payback ??
If they do expect this I think its really kheech !!!
Roja
??If they do expect this I think its really kheech !!!
Roja
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Saab courses
The loganair holding pool have been told that any new joiners pay for their Saab course and unless it is completed to an acceptable standard employment will not take place. Keeps the accountant with a smile on his face and removes the risk of paying for a course only for the person to not make it.
Line training is also paid for by you - but you are only taken on if you have no problems in the type course. Avoids training risks
You pay out nearly £20000 and then get less than £23000 as a fo.
Lots of pilots will leave next winter so places will not be short.
But just how many will be interested with more jet jobs than Saab jobs out there.
Line training is also paid for by you - but you are only taken on if you have no problems in the type course. Avoids training risks
You pay out nearly £20000 and then get less than £23000 as a fo.
Lots of pilots will leave next winter so places will not be short.
But just how many will be interested with more jet jobs than Saab jobs out there.
Last edited by ecj; 24th Jul 2006 at 08:31.
